seeds wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:40 pmDon’t’ forget the God of materialism (see number 7)...
1. Anthropomorphic deity
2. Deist prime mover
5. Spinozan pantheism
6. The "ground of being"
...for it is obvious that materialists possess a faith in number 7 that would put to shame the most devout theists.
Just for the sake of laying out the rationale behind my suggestion...Greta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:40 pmGroovy rhetoric that sounds as if it could be right - but is untrue in every sense. So #7 is rejected on the basis of complete irrelevance along with obviously patently false equivalence, with a measure of dishonest misrepresentation of others' positions added.
If people are taking about "God" we need to know which "God" we are speaking about. This is about achieving clarity, not trying to muddy the waters further with political games.
You have created a thread that invites us to step inside of an arena of abstractions that have to do with what humans are willing to accept (willing to believe in/have faith in) as being responsible for the creation of the universe.
Now I am not insinuating that materialists literally worship a God called “Serendipity”...
(at least not in any overt and declarative fashion)
...but they certainly do have faith in the fact that it was somehow responsible for transforming the chaos of an alleged Big Bang into a context of order that defies comprehension.
So how, pray tell, is the belief in the abstract and impersonal powers of “chance” as being the guiding force in the manifestation of the universe any different than the belief in the abstract and impersonal powers of the “ground of being,” for example, being its guiding force?
Now of course it’s YOUR thread and it’s YOUR list, and you are free to exclude whatever you so desire. However, you might want to park your biases outside the door of the thread and try to be a little more open minded on these issues...
...(along with being a little less rude and judgmental with respect to flinging out accusations regarding the playing of “political games”).