God is an Impossibility

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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Re: God is an Impossibility

Post by Nick_A » Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:26 pm

Veritas
I believe in general [not you personally] all humans must understand the principles, basis and mechanics of their action, especially their quest to experience its source and whatever.
When people do not understand the principles, basis and mechanics of their actions in this case, then such terrible events of evil and violence happened and will continue to happen;
Quite true. But what should be done when a person consciously experiences their hypocrisy and their helplessness in front of it? Is it better just to go with the flow and say whatever will be will be as is the norm?
There is no such thing as absolute universal truths but only relative truths conditioned upon the human conditions. There is no way you can prove the existence of absolute universal truths that can exists by themselves which are absolute independent of the human conditions
Here we have to agree to disagree. For example I would say that objective justice is a reality based on the interactions of universal laws regardless of Man’s existence. I presume you would say that justice only exists as a human interpretation regarding Man’s actions.
Note Einstein's intuition is still within the human conditions. Thus any thoughts from human intuition are conditioned by humans and they do not appear from nowhere.
Whatever positives from Einstein intuitions they had be justified to be true before acceptance by the scientific community.
Quite true. Plato wrote of anamnesis or remembrance of what has been forgotten. The experience of noesis and intuition IMO is just soul knowledge. It is remembering what has been forgotten.

I am attracted to Panentheism which believes nature is in God as opposed to Pantheism which believes God in nature. But that is another topic.
God is an Impossibility.
Theism in whatever forms and degrees is grounded in the psychology of the existential crisis.
Once we understand the principles, basis and mechanics of theism within psychology, then it is possible to mitigate the terrible evil and violent acts from SOME theists who are evil prone and inspired directly by the texts of some religions.
I agree that in some cases people remain in religion because of fear. But what of those who pursue religion because they are driven to experience “meaning?” Is this really an existential crisis or just a normal drive? Simone Weil had a need for meaning. Is she describing an existential crisis or just the need of a more awakened human being?
"To believe in God is not a decision we can make. All we can do is decide not to give our love to false gods. In the first place, we can decide not to believe that the future contains for us an all-sufficient good. The future is made of the same stuff as the present....

"...It is not for man to seek, or even to believe in God. He has only to refuse to believe in everything that is not God. This refusal does not presuppose belief. It is enough to recognize, what is obvious to any mind, that all the goods of this world, past, present, or future, real or imaginary, are finite and limited and radically incapable of satisfying the desire which burns perpetually with in us for an infinite and perfect good... It is not a matter of self-questioning or searching. A man has only to persist in his refusal, and one day or another God will come to him."
-- Weil, Simone, ON SCIENCE, NECESSITY, AND THE LOVE OF GOD, edited by Richard Rees, London, Oxford University Press, 1968.- ©
Do you believe that the need to experience a quality of meaning not found in the world is really an existential crisis as opposed to just a normal psychological need?
You think you have universal truths but that is PRIMARILY only for your selfish quests to soothe your personal existential crisis. What good has come out of it for humanity in general in contrast against, for example, the positives from empirical Science?
I no longer have an existential crisis. At one time in my life I did. As a working musician I found meaning in egoistic expression and alcohol. I found flaws in all philosophy and religion I was exposed to so cynicism was just a normal way for a creative person to tolerate the absurd world I was living in. Then I was fortunate to learn that I was not alone and there have always been people with the same questions but far more advanced than me. So rather than the world making no sense, the world was exactly as it had to be from a universal perspective. I had always been lacking the third dimension of thought necessary to make sense out of the absurd. Once I experienced it, I knew what was necessary to acquire “understanding.”

Is the need to learn as a being in search of meaning really an existential crisis? I don’t believe so anymore than the need for food and water is a crisis as long as it is available.
My views are not focus only in the pragmatic but what is to be pragmatic is guided by impossible ideals, e.g. perpetual peace for the World, perfect health, etc. to drive continuous improvements.
But the trouble is that when we don’t understand the problem, how can we strive for improvements?

The same things have been written before, are written now, and will be in the future, yet nothing really changes other than in form. Since we are as we are, everything is as it is. If we don’t understand what and why we are, why should anything change?

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Re: God is an Impossibility

Post by Veritas Aequitas » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:20 am

Duh.. lost my whole response. Here a new shorten version.
Nick_A wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:26 pm
Veritas
I believe in general [not you personally] all humans must understand the principles, basis and mechanics of their action, especially their quest to experience its source and whatever.
When people do not understand the principles, basis and mechanics of their actions in this case, then such terrible events of evil and violence happened and will continue to happen;
Quite true. But what should be done when a person consciously experiences their hypocrisy and their helplessness in front of it? Is it better just to go with the flow and say whatever will be will be as is the norm?
Obviously one must be wise enough to flow positively and progressively.
Note this;
In positive psychology, flow, also known colloquially as being in the zone, is the mental state of operation in which a person performing an activity is fully immersed in a feeling of energized focus, full involvement, and enjoyment in the process of the activity. In essence, flow is characterized by complete absorption in what one does, and a resulting loss in one's sense of space and time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology)
As such one need to understand the principles, basis and mechanics of their actions especially where there are negatives associated with it.

It is a fact there are terrible evil and violent acts associated with theism in general committed by a significant SOME in the name of God. This is the real hypocrisy and their pretension in closing their eyes to such evil acts.

DNA wise ALL human beings has the inherent potential of an existential crisis within their brain. Thus you or I cannot deny this existential crisis within us. The difference is the degree of activeness of such an existential crisis and how one is dealing with it.

I agree theism is an effective methods to deal with the existential crisis but theism has its pros and cons. The threat is the current trend is indicating the cons of theism as a whole are outweighing its pros. Note the terrible evil and violent acts associated with theism in general. I understand your views are that of panentheism which is more advance and benign, but it is nevertheless a part of the whole set.

Thus we need new fool proof methods [no evil nor violent potential at all] to deal with the inherent unavoidable existential crisis.
At present the average human is only using a small potential of the human brain/mind.
I believe humanity can increase the IQ, EQ, philosophy quotients and other faculties in many folds to a point we can co-established objective moral principles as guides to improve human behaviors.
We don't need any moral standards or meanings from an illusory entity like God.

I don't see how your existing views are beneficial to humanity in the future. Show me how can your current view assist humanity in the long run?
What your views serve are your selfish needs to soothe your existential crisis.

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