You think the seer is the real thing?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:54 amOkay so far, what they the ''theists'' thought was real was an illusion, it wasn't a real snake.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:01 amMy point in the snake and rope analogy;
Theists will insist they saw a real snake [which in reality was a rope] and keep insisting they saw a real snake.
Then they tell the whole village and then the whole world 'that' is a real snake.
After a while there is no way of verifying the truth, so they insist what they claim is the truth, i.e. what they saw was a real snake.
This is the same as hallucination insisting there is a real God [which in reality is an illusion] and keep insisting there is a real existing God.
But my point in the snake and rope analogy...is, like the mirror trick. You cannot see what's looking, you can only see what's seen. So the seen is the mirror in which the looker sees itself and thinks the reflection is who they are. But, the looker, lets call it awareness cannot experience itself as the object seen, it cannot experience itself as the reflection, it is the reflection. The reflection is the experience.
Here we see the reflection as being the ''rope'' and the seer of the reflection (rope)..is the seer (the snake)...
The seer is the real, and the reflection of the seer, is the ''illusory other'' which is unreal....here it is realised that both real and unreal exist together as one in the same experience. This analogy is all that can be knowable. So with this dilemma, nothing can be said about impossibilties as an absolute truth, because real and unreal are two sides of the same reality. And there is no way to differentiate between the apparent two, they are one and the same reality.
As I had demonstrated what you think is the 'seer' is nothing more that a set of neurons that deceive you to think it is real.
The point is whatever you think is real or most real over everything is a deception by the mind.
As I had stated it is tougher to explain and for you to grasp because it is a transcendental feature.
It is very relevant to support the point 'God is an impossibility' because it is an illusion.I get this, but I don't think it is relevant to the discussion ..since we know about the tricky that is the mind. The mind is the grand illusionist.This is more to do with how information is coded and received by the brain. The world we see is one big hallucination anyway, it's a projection of informational waves received by the brain and transmitted into living pictures much the same way a Television set works.
The images of the two faces, is typical of the mirror trick, in that the distortion is simply another appearance within consciousness, it's nothing more than another hallucination within the hallucination that is this living sound and light show called the reality of being alive.
At the end of the day both real and unreal exist as one indivisible reality and cannot be separated or negated.
The face example above is a clue as to how your mind is deceiving [right now] you with a lie.
Before I revealed to you the truth underlying this illusion, you believe the 'normal' face was real [when it was an illusion]. You have to admit you were deceived with an illusion.
Now you insist God is real, but based on the above demo, your belief 'God is real' can also be an illusion.
You will deny it because you do not have the understanding to accept 'God is real' is actually an illusion.
As I had stated, it is not easy to explain why 'God is real' is an illusion because it happened at the transcendental level and it need deep thinking and reflection to grasp the point.
Until you are able to loosen your resistance [natural] you will never realize you are accepting the lie your mind has make up for you to insist 'God is real' [when in reality God is an illusion] to deal with an inevitable unavoidable psychological existential crisis.
This is not wishful thinking because Buddhism has explained this lie of an illusory God since 2,500 years ago and the Jains long before that.
Thus the focus should be psychology, preferable neuro-psychological rather than theological or metaphysics.