Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 8:51 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:35 am'Your oneness' refer to your belief of 'oneness' or whatever that may be.
There is something aware of the belief, else the belief could not be expressed via language or symbol?
Note this analogy re a team and team-spirit.
Normally 'oneness' is associated with the team-spirit of a team of different individuals that operate and co-ordinate to work as ONE unit.
Take a basketball team; the oneness is active when the team of 5 players go onto to court to compete against its opponent. When the team members go home they are merely individuals and there is no oneness of team spirit at all.
There is oneness in say a symphony orchestra where all the instrumental players play in tune and alignment with the conductor. Once they instrumental players stop playing there is no more oneness.
There is no constant or permanent 'oneness' or 'thatness' of a symphony orchestra which play the music and exist at all times.
There is also 'oneness' [the empirical 'I'] within the individual person where the brain and the mind works together in alignment to bring about awareness and consciousness.
There is no more oneness when the individual dies [all organs failed] or when the person is mentally sick to the extent to losing one's self [oneness].
Thus the above oneness is an emergence and resultant as conditioned by the typical human conditions.
Where you go wrong is when you
reify and think this conditional oneness is something more permanent within the individual. This is an illusion generated by the brain to dupe the person for certain existential reason.
That oneness is the same for the Universe which is an emergence and resultant from the individual's oneness [emergence and resultant'.
However the brain and mind dupe the individual to think there is a permanent oneness which they grasp as a God which is an illusion.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:35 am'This idea of oneness [in this case] is a transcendental illusion created by your mind to dupe you by deception in thinking it is something very real.
But does it matter whether this mind is real or not? ...does it change anything...what is typing these words right now, what is reading these words right now, what is translating these words into meaning right now?
Can that which is doing..be known and by what?
That 'what' that is translating these words into meaning right now is the like how the musicians get together to produce good harmonized music.
That 'what' is an emergence and resultant from the activities of your body parts and it exists as long as your body parts is alive and active in the right conditions.
That 'what' is not something permanent within yourself.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:35 amThis deception is based on the same mental process as how your mind had duped you to realize that face image is normal when in reality it is not normal.
There was an awareness of the image. This awareness was not looking for differences. The differences only became apparent to awareness when knowledge of differences became known. What happened is the not-knowing divided into knowing via the mind, the mind is that which divides that which is indivisible...the illusion is the mind, not the awareness.
You missed my point here.
What I am stating is your thinking that God is real is actually a deception by your mind and awareness [which are temporary things] to make you think God is real when there is no such thing as a real God.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Aug 21, 2018 7:35 am
Frankly, for philosophy sake, you should venture to try to understand [not necessary agree with] what I am trying to communicate to you instead of resisting, deflecting and denial it outright.
Not denying anything you say, you are the one being defensive, you request me to try and understand you, and all I'm doing is requesting same from you. I've said your theory is an epic fail, ..I've already admitted mine is too when we attempt to point to the ineffable using concepts.
You need not get defensive here, there is nothing to lose in this conversation, because we all exist in the same one reality.
And philosophy pertains to thinking and thoughts, which you have repeatedly said is an illusion...so what's the point in trying to understand an illusion that only serves to decieve what we are trying to understand?
What is it that you want me to understand that I don't already understand?
The only thing I understand is that there is nothing to understand.
I understand your thinking of a real God because I have gone through that before.
I told you I was in Advaita Vedanta [Jnana] for a long time.
The point is you are claiming what is supposed to be an illusion [God] to be a real God.
I suggest you try to understand rather than reject it outright.
I have already given loads of clues in my posting but I know it is difficult for you to understand due your current state of mind.
Note for example, if I had not told you the underlying truth behind the distorted face demonstration, you would have insisted you saw a normal face and insisted that is the truth all the way! You will insist that distorted face is a 'normal' to your whole village and the world without realizing you are telling a 'lie' out of ignorance.
The FACT you can learn from the above demonstration is
the principle that
the human mind is VERY deceptive, and this is due to the manifestation of the inherent existential crisis. The mind has to be deceptive for survival sake.
Now my claim is the idea of God which is an illusion arise from the same
principle as demonstrated above, i.e. the human mind has deceive theists to think there is a real God where there is no real God.
Why the mind is deceiving theists [a critical necessity] arise from the mother of all manifestation of the inherent existential crisis.
Note the human mind also deceives the self in other non-theistic circumstances where it is critical to do so.