Youth Violence = Deprived OF Christian Values = Aggressive Secularism.

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Lacewing wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:57 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 5:03 pmThe mind and the contents of mind are the same one
So?

What does that have to do with you shifting context rather than directly addressing the crazy crap you say?
I've just addressed it, looks like you missed it again. Look again.

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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:15 pm I've just addressed it
It's simple: You don't know jack shit... but you think you do. :lol:
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Lacewing wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:17 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:15 pm I've just addressed it
It's simple: You don't know jack shit... but you think you do. :lol:

You are the thought that cannot think.

You are the known that cannot know.



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Dontaskme wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:43 pm
Lacewing wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 6:17 pmIt's simple: You don't know jack shit... but you think you do. :lol:
You are the thought that cannot think.

You are the known that cannot know.
Lacewing, the irony is that DAM and Nick have an opposite ideology. In truth, everything that Nick blabbers on about DAM believes not to be illusion.

She has not dared to tell him this, though, and he's too blind to notice, but they have only come together as fellow Republicans. Under other circumstances they would be at each others' throats.

This is where their extreme conformity is exposed: they both agree with every single one of the the current Republican party's policies - every one. In that they they reveal their conformism.
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Walker wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:38 pm The Chicago violence is a result of Democratic Party social policies.

The mayor was Obama's chief of staff before he was mayor, and before him there were decades of the party machine in Chicago.
Would you say it is possible for a person growing up under these conditions not to have the overwhelming compulsion to kill others? What would account for resistance to this apparently government encouraged urge to kill?
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Greta wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:48 pm Lacewing, the irony is that DAM and Nick have an opposite ideology.

She has not dared to tell him this, though
I've noticed that they avoid assessing each other's words and claims with the same focus and vigor they use on other people. It would be much more interesting for philosophical discussion if they'd challenge each other authentically... instead of trying to come up with cheesy similarities, a tactic they don't do with other people. To me it looks like a farce among frauds.

It seems a lot of frauds are drawn to philosophy forums to hawk their claims/stories. They refuse to engage with challenges or to answer most questions -- instead quickly shifting focus, or withdrawing into their babble, snippyness, childishness, or silence. It doesn't take much.
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Lacewing wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:13 am
Greta wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:48 pm Lacewing, the irony is that DAM and Nick have an opposite ideology.

She has not dared to tell him this, though
I've noticed that they avoid assessing each other's words and claims with the same focus and vigor they use on other people. It would be much more interesting for philosophical discussion if they'd challenge each other authentically...
I wonder if Walker shares Nick's keenness for the Apocalypse?

I wonder if Walker and Nick believe that DAM is right to claim that everything they believe in is BS, just pointless illusions?

I wonder if Walker, Nick and DAM have anything ideas in common at all aside from an unwavering support for the Republican Party?
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Greta wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:24 am
Lacewing wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 1:13 am
Greta wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:48 pm Lacewing, the irony is that DAM and Nick have an opposite ideology.

She has not dared to tell him this, though
I've noticed that they avoid assessing each other's words and claims with the same focus and vigor they use on other people. It would be much more interesting for philosophical discussion if they'd challenge each other authentically...
I wonder if Walker shares Nick's keenness for the Apocalypse?

I wonder if Walker and Nick believe that DAM is right to claim that everything they believe in is BS, just pointless illusions?

I wonder if Walker, Nick and DAM have anything ideas in common at all aside from an unwavering support for the Republican Party?
"When a man joins a political party, he submissively adopts a mental attitude which he will express later on with words such as, ‘As a monarchist, as a Socialist, I think that …’ It is so comfortable! It amounts to having no thoughts at all. Nothing is more comfortable than not having to think." Simone Weil
Greta and Lacewing are agenda driven. Whatever the secular progressive agenda dictates is truth for their agenda. Impartial reason just gets in the way of the agenda. The thinking has already been done which is apparently very comforting for them because all they have to do is emotionally attack Trump which doesn't require thought.

I think DaM is like me in that she is driven by ideas rather than agendas. When we disagree it isn't necessary to argue and express negativity. We can just compare ideas.

The original Socratic dialogue was like this. A group gathered and with the help of a leader, spoke their understandings not to debate but to enable group understandings of subjective opinions. The purpose of the dialogue was to reveal what we don't know. We all have a piece of the wholeness of truth which is far more inclusive than our subjective opinions.

This is idiotic for the agenda driven mind. It doesn't have a piece of the truth; it is the truth. The task then is to reeducate and if necessary eliminate the idiots who stand in the way of the agenda which is the same as ultimate truth.

The Greta mind has been captured by an agenda. Philosophy defined as the love of wisdom just gets in the way of furthering the secular progressive agenda which for the Greta mind is truth itself.
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:39 am Greta and Lacewing are agenda driven.
No, I'm not, Nick. And I've explained this to you before. So don't be so lame as to just blindly accuse me of your limited ideas AGAIN... in response to what has been truthfully pointed out about your behavior on this forum.

There are, of course, times that we all have agendas -- YOU DO TOO. That's different than what you are suggesting: which is that it's a driving characteristic of mine. You don't know jack shit (as DAM would say).

I am primarily directed by a sense of spirit. I consciously see things and I listen for intuitive/spiritual direction and I act or change course as needed. It is an organic flow -- not some kind of rigid agenda/reward/outcome system. Agendas do not own me or convince me of anything. Everyone who knows me, knows this. There is no truthful reason for you to say such a thing about me.

People do not fit into the narrow terms/definitions you preach, Nick.
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Lacewing wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:32 am
Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:39 am Greta and Lacewing are agenda driven.
No, I'm not, Nick. And I've explained this to you before. So don't be so lame as to just blindly accuse me of your limited ideas AGAIN... in response to what has been truthfully pointed out about your behavior on this forum.

There are, of course, times that we all have agendas -- YOU DO TOO. That's different than what you are suggesting: which is that it's a driving characteristic of mine. You don't know jack shit (as DAM would say).

I am primarily directed by a sense of spirit. I consciously see things and I listen for intuitive/spiritual direction and I act or change course as needed. It is an organic flow -- not some kind of rigid agenda/reward system. Agendas do not own me or convince me of anything. Everyone who knows me, knows this. There is no truthful reason for you to say such a thing about me.

People do not fit into the narrow terms/definitions you preach, Nick.
Have you ever opposed the secular progressive agenda?
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:39 am Have you ever opposed the secular progressive agenda?
I don't see that there is "such a specific thing" as that (because there are variations)... BUT if there was, yes, I would oppose it BECAUSE I am suspicious of anything that is out of balance. I do not think that any group or platform knows everything or should be in complete control of everyone.

Your rigidity and condemnations are very suspicious and out of balance.
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:39 am
Lacewing wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:32 am
Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:39 am Greta and Lacewing are agenda driven.
No, I'm not, Nick. And I've explained this to you before. So don't be so lame as to just blindly accuse me of your limited ideas AGAIN... in response to what has been truthfully pointed out about your behavior on this forum.

There are, of course, times that we all have agendas -- YOU DO TOO. That's different than what you are suggesting: which is that it's a driving characteristic of mine. You don't know jack shit (as DAM would say).

I am primarily directed by a sense of spirit. I consciously see things and I listen for intuitive/spiritual direction and I act or change course as needed. It is an organic flow -- not some kind of rigid agenda/reward system. Agendas do not own me or convince me of anything. Everyone who knows me, knows this. There is no truthful reason for you to say such a thing about me.

People do not fit into the narrow terms/definitions you preach, Nick.
Have you ever opposed the secular progressive agenda?
''Progressives'' aren't secular. Quite the opposite. ''Progressivism'', like ''Communism'', is a religion in itself. They are both about control and manipulation. ''Progressives'' can be christian, not christian, 'other'....
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Lacewing wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:49 am
Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:39 am Have you ever opposed the secular progressive agenda?
I don't see that there is "such a specific thing" as that (because there are variations)... BUT if there was, yes, I would oppose it BECAUSE I am suspicious of anything that is out of balance. I do not think that any group or platform knows everything or should be in complete control of everyone.

Your rigidity and condemnations are very suspicious and out of balance.
According to this article in Psychology Today, a secular progressive is just a humanist without any concern for a higher authority. The secular progressive agenda strives to actualize this belief. Is there anything about it you oppose?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... y-humanist
Some have suggested that the first sentence of Humanism and Its Aspirations can be utilized as the elevator speech: “Humanism is a progressive philosophy of life that, without supernaturalism, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead ethical lives of personal fulfillment that aspire to the greater good of humanity.”………………

………Of course, a true secular-progressive won’t accept O’Reilly’s simplistic vilification of the term, but instead will stand ready to rebut his absurd suggestion that “culture warriors” (O’Reilly’s term for those standing opposed to secular-progressives) are the real patriots. Secular-progressives are hardly unanimous in their views on social and political issues, but they generally stand for rational public policy based on evidence. Pragmatic, respectful of both freedom and equality, and skeptical of concentrated power in all forms, secular-progressives have nothing to be ashamed of. (After all, it's the culture warrior camp that includes those who believe the world is less than 10,000 years old! Need I say more?)
Thus, if you hit the button in an elevator and someone notices your “humanist” button or t-shirt and asks what it means, consider this response: “I’m a secular-progressive.”
Is there anything in the above two pargraphs that you would not argue in favor of?
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Nick_A wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 4:41 am ...
Why do I need to read a bunch of stuff I don't care about -- just to answer a specific question? Your obsessions are not how I think. I've already explained very clearly and generously what "directs" me... and it's not agendas. So why don't you honor that, acknowledge that you were in error, and stop asking me to jump through more of your hoops to prove something to you? What is your agenda, Nick, in asking me to confirm or deny something in particular? You're trying to judge/categorize me somehow, correct?
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Has anyone in the the history of the forum been more agenda driven than Nick_A? :lol:

It seems that in the US shamelessness is the new black.
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