How powerful is God?

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

Moderators: AMod, iMod

User avatar
-1-
Posts: 2888
Joined: Thu Sep 07, 2017 1:08 am

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by -1- »

Dontaskme wrote: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:06 pm A question can only arise to the sense of a self..ie: the “I thought”...who or what is this extra head that wants to know is a thought....aka a fictional character. Fictional characters don’t have any reality.

Life/Reality doesn’t ask questions.
You say "life/reality doesn’t ask questions."

You and I are part of reality.

We ask questions.

Therefore your claim is wrong.
seeds
Posts: 2172
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:31 pm

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by seeds »

seeds wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:43 pm (in other words, the Creator of all of reality as we understand reality to be – including us)

...should be exempt from being subjected to that ridiculously lame “stone” question.
-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:20 am This is great. So the old man is so weak, and so bereft of power, that he needs exemptions from certain things because simple logic defeats him. A simple Christian cure is to deny the validity of the question. He is exempt from this question. "Dear teacher, please exempt my son, God, from this question on the exam. He is lacks the power to solve the question, so we have got ministerial approval to exempt him from this question on the exam."

I say do not exempt him, but hold him accountable. If he is powerful, he can defend himself. If he is powerless, and people will laugh at him for it, there is no higher power to defend him.
Nice little rant there, -1-.

Too bad it’s almost as silly as the stone question.

And here all this time I thought you were fond of logic.
_______
Dubious
Posts: 4031
Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 7:40 am

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dubious »

That depends on the purpose for which it was created. Different ages and cultures have different needs and ways to assess. God's power depends on how much we give IT.
User avatar
Dontaskme
Posts: 16940
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dontaskme »

-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:41 am
Logic is not fictional. It is conceptual.
Logic is of the intellect which is mental activity, made of pure concept. All Concepts are fiction as conceived by that which is inconceivable...aka the mind.
-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:41 amYour entire argument is based on logic being fictional.
All knowledge is fictional, knowledge in-forms the illusory nature of separation, since knowledge is language and words appear to divide what cannot be divided. Reality is indivisibly one without a second here now, nowhere, this unknown known...knowledge is mental, a fiction appearing real as the mind knows itself only in this inconceivable conception.
-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:41 amYour basic premise is wrong.
Nothing is right or wrong, only ''thinking'' makes it so...aka mind activity aka thought, albeit illusory.
-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:41 amTherefore no matter what your logical argument concludes, it is not admissible.
Not admissible for whom?

Can Oneness have an argument with itself, whom would it argue with?

.
User avatar
Dontaskme
Posts: 16940
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dontaskme »

-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:36 am
Please provide some evidence to substantiate the above claim.

I consider what you wrote complete gibberish. I desperately need some evidence-based support to see any shred of truth or valid insight in your claim.
Claims are made but no one to make a claim.

Is the only power indeed.

The unmoved mover, the uncaused causer, is power indeed.

.

The evidence is right here as intimate as your very own skin.

.

Take it or leave it, one mans gibberish is another mans wisdom.

.
User avatar
Dontaskme
Posts: 16940
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dontaskme »

-1- wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 4:44 am
You say "life/reality doesn’t ask questions."

You and I are part of reality.

We ask questions.

Therefore your claim is wrong.
There are no parts in reality.

When that is seen by no one, then all questions cease.

Questions that do arise pertain to the sense of a separate I ...and can only do so when that sense is there, but that sense is an illusion, it does not exist separate from all that is, except in this CON-ception, aka the illusion that there is OTHER.

.

You are quite welcome to live in the world of illusions ..it's your prerogative. As for this Dontaskme character, she prefers to live in the real world.

.

So you can hiss and spit your name calling at me all day long ....labels will never touch me.

.
seeds
Posts: 2172
Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:31 pm

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by seeds »

Dubious wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:03 am That depends on the purpose for which it was created. Different ages and cultures have different needs and ways to assess. God's power depends on how much we give IT.
The question of whether or not God can create a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it...

(or, out of respect for Greta’s feelings, “it” cannot lift :))

...is as about as meaningful as asking whether or not God can create a square circle.

In other words, people are under the false impression that the stone question represents some kind of profound and paradoxical statement about God when, in fact, it is nothing more than taking the meaning of the word “omnipotent” one step too far.
_______
Dubious
Posts: 4031
Joined: Tue May 19, 2015 7:40 am

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dubious »

seeds wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:52 pm
Dubious wrote: Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:03 am That depends on the purpose for which it was created. Different ages and cultures have different needs and ways to assess. God's power depends on how much we give IT.
The question of whether or not God can create a stone so heavy that he himself cannot lift it...

(or, out of respect for Greta’s feelings, “it” cannot lift :))

...is as about as meaningful as asking whether or not God can create a square circle.

In other words, people are under the false impression that the stone question represents some kind of profound and paradoxical statement about God when, in fact, it is nothing more than taking the meaning of the word “omnipotent” one step too far.
_______
I agree completely though I was referring to its cultural development . Even so, this question of god and and some hypothetical stone IT cannot lift is so imbecilic; an insane argument proving what? If some hypothetical God has the power to create a universe and and put an end to it, is It going to let a stone get in It's way even if its the size of the biggest planet in the cosmos!

Only if one translates the point of the argument in human terms does it begin to resemble logic, e.g., are there any greater absurdities left for the human mind to conceive in its near endless variety of gobbledygook which hasn't yet been conceptualized?

Most often paradox is the result when one gets stoned on dialectic yielding higamous-hogamous ambiguities.
surreptitious57
Posts: 4257
Joined: Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:09 am

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by surreptitious57 »

Dontaskme wrote:
There are no parts in reality
Reality is composed of many parts though reality itself is a single
state of existence albeit one that is in an eternal state of motion
User avatar
Greta
Posts: 4389
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:10 am

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Greta »

First we have to consider how powerful the Earth is, and then the Sun.

That's as far as we need go, really. The power of the Sun is so extreme to us that considering anything more powerful still involves the study of large stars, black holes, galaxies, voids and other large cosmic structures. Otherwise we are just dealing with fanciful imaginative notions.

Whatever, cosmic bodies can only become so massive before collapsing into a black hole anyway - the cosmic mass limit.
User avatar
Dontaskme
Posts: 16940
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dontaskme »

surreptitious57 wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:37 am
Dontaskme wrote:
There are no parts in reality
Reality is composed of many parts though reality itself is a single
state of existence albeit one that is in an eternal state of motion
Only in the sense that that which appears to divide itself aka as and through words, aka language are the illusory appearance inseparable from their source which is this everything, everyhwere, nowhere now here, one without a second...totally whole, instantaneously and simultaneously NOW the only place there IS

Knowledge is of the mind, and the mind is like a knife that can divide reality up into many parts but cannot divide itself. Any divide is pure illusion.

.

And that which is everywhere at once is not moving or going anywhere, any movement is within itself going nowhere but always here now. Any movement is an illusion within that which is perfectly still at all time.

.
User avatar
Dontaskme
Posts: 16940
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dontaskme »

Greta wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:51 am First we have to consider how powerful the Earth is, and then the Sun.

That's as far as we need go, really. the cosmic mass limit.
Only in so far as the limitation of the human experience in all it's self imposed restrictions it places upon itself ..as science and religion would have you believe is all there is to it .. a limitation that both science and religion put in place in order to control the masses and deter anyone from ever thinking outside this false self imposed limited arena. An arena that has a very powerful agenda attached, namely, financial gain, aka a power that is about as powerless and empty and meaningless as one can possibly imagine.

Since this human experience is but just one tiny fraction of informational frequencies in play right now as compared to the actual bigger picture of all that is, was, and ever will be which science and religion are closed off to, and instead employ a golf ball sized awareness unwilling to see the expanded view that does not still believe in the idea that we are born into a world that has this ''little me mentality'' who has but a short meaningless life, and then die and that's your lot, so lets all selfishly grab all we can for all it's worth in the form of locking ourselves up in stuffy schools of knowledge all day long, in order to gain fame, money, entertainment, relationships, possessions, constant holidays, technology, and just about anything we can think of to alieviate the pain of this mundane bordom that is this pointless limited life before it's gone forever. While all the while missing the point of life altogether, which is being at one with it and seeing that this is just a drop in the ocean of potential possibility ..just one tiny experience of an infinite amount of experiences that are always available.

.

Imagination is a good thing, it's positive, it says yes, it rewards those who dare to imagine. And those who dare to think outside the box of limitation live out the rest of eternity shining..because the universe is all giving...and that's all it can do. It has no desire to take back what it's already got.

.
User avatar
Greta
Posts: 4389
Joined: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:10 am

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Greta »

Dontaskme wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:17 am
Greta wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:51 am First we have to consider how powerful the Earth is, and then the Sun.

That's as far as we need go, really.
Only in so far as the limitation of the human experience in all it's self imposed restrictions it places upon itself ..
Yet there is no way that you or anyone else can conceive of something even the scale of the Earth let alone the Sun with falling into abstractions rather than having a visceral sense of it.

It's the difference between seeing something on a screen and being there. As abstractions we can conceive of entire multiverses but when it comes to having a visceral sense of what is, we live in a relatively small "fishbowl".
User avatar
Dontaskme
Posts: 16940
Joined: Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:07 pm
Location: Nowhere

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Dontaskme »

Greta wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:49 am
Yet there is no way that you or anyone else can conceive of something even the scale of the Earth let alone the Sun with falling into abstractions rather than having a visceral sense of it.
There is no 'you' or 'anyone else' to conceive, that is the limitation right there. The 'you' you speak of is the conceived.

There is only unlimited infinite perception experencing limitation, there is not limitation trying to experience the inconceiveable.

That's the difference...albeit an illuory difference, since all is the same one love in action dreaming difference where there is none.
Greta wrote: Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:49 amIt's the difference between seeing something on a screen and being there. As abstractions we can conceive of entire multiverses but when it comes to having a visceral sense of what is, we live in a relatively small "fishbowl".
And just so you know, that which is sensing it's environment .. is a thought based abstraction in and of itself.

There is no thing being here/there..there is only being...what that being is, is abstraction.

.
User avatar
Greatest I am
Posts: 2964
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2010 5:09 pm

Re: How powerful is God?

Post by Greatest I am »

QuantumT wrote: Sat Jun 16, 2018 10:09 pm Gods power is only limited by the very source of his existence: Imagination!
I agree since all the Gods are man made.

As to the answer to the O.P.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lGrarz3MQ

Regards
DL
Post Reply