Even if God and the Bible, especially The New Testament is all just a fairytale, does it even matter?
If God is not physical, if God is just a made-up fairytale, does it even matter in the long run?
After all, God "the fairytale" did have a huge impact in people's lifes. Humans can endure a lot of suffering and obstacles by the mere faith in this fairytale, so obviously it does have some power, to some degree.
But I do not subscribe to the belief that any deity or faith is equally important. To me, it makes no sense to believe in a vengeful deity who demands needless sacrifices and religious wars. For such issues, we have Real Politics. Real Politics is all about waging wars and making peace, diplomatic deals and so forth.
God should be an embetterment of people's lives rather than a stupid culture. God should give you inspiration, make you stronger and make you become a better human.
I can't say I'm an atheist, even though I believe God to be a fairytale. At best I'm a Christian Atheist.
A Christian Atheist is someone who do not subscribe to the supernatural beliefs (ie. physical ressurrection of Jesus which btw. was added much later in the new testament and early christians/followers of Jesus' preaching disagreed even over this issue), but maintain the morals/ethics of Jesus' preaching.
Some people live their lives without God all perfectly well and they are good humans too.
Some religious people believe firmly in God, but are brutal terrorists.
Why can't we have some people who believe in a good God, and do good stuff, but not because their deity told them so, but because they believe in a good cause? I mean, welfare for the sick and disabled who cannot help themselves, and protecting innocent immigrants from the harm of the people and give them a chance?
Why is such a belief considered a henious crime in many western countries?
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I'm not sure I understand the question.Why is such a belief considered a henious crime in many western countries?
Which countries? How is belief treated as a crime, let alone a heinous one?
Welfare, national health insurance, free public education, old age pension and protection of immigrants is a standard of some western countries. It's called "socialism" and doesn't enjoy wide acceptance in the Christian US, but stays alive in more secular Canada.
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Depends if you consider the United States as one country, or as many different countries as there are states. Other so-called "western" states have leaned onto the left. They tax the rich and feed the poor.philosopher wrote: ↑Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:44 pm Even if God and the Bible, especially The New Testament is all just a fairytale, does it even matter?
If God is not physical, if God is just a made-up fairytale, does it even matter in the long run?
After all, God "the fairytale" did have a huge impact in people's lifes. Humans can endure a lot of suffering and obstacles by the mere faith in this fairytale, so obviously it does have some power, to some degree.
But I do not subscribe to the belief that any deity or faith is equally important. To me, it makes no sense to believe in a vengeful deity who demands needless sacrifices and religious wars. For such issues, we have Real Politics. Real Politics is all about waging wars and making peace, diplomatic deals and so forth.
God should be an embetterment of people's lives rather than a stupid culture. God should give you inspiration, make you stronger and make you become a better human.
I can't say I'm an atheist, even though I believe God to be a fairytale. At best I'm a Christian Atheist.
A Christian Atheist is someone who do not subscribe to the supernatural beliefs (ie. physical ressurrection of Jesus which btw. was added much later in the new testament and early christians/followers of Jesus' preaching disagreed even over this issue), but maintain the morals/ethics of Jesus' preaching.
Some people live their lives without God all perfectly well and they are good humans too.
Some religious people believe firmly in God, but are brutal terrorists.
Why can't we have some people who believe in a good God, and do good stuff, but not because their deity told them so, but because they believe in a good cause? I mean, welfare for the sick and disabled who cannot help themselves, and protecting innocent immigrants from the harm of the people and give them a chance?
Why is such a belief considered a henious crime in many western countries?
But even still it's not a crime, but a sin, in Christian USA. Crime is illegal, sin is immoral. Crime finds its just punishment (if it does) by courts of man; sin finds its just punishment by god (if god exists).
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You know what, I'm thinking the christian morals are not actually christian. They are defined by culture rather than religion/faith.Skip wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:42 amI'm not sure I understand the question.Why is such a belief considered a henious crime in many western countries?
Which countries? How is belief treated as a crime, let alone a heinous one?
Welfare, national health insurance, free public education, old age pension and protection of immigrants is a standard of some western countries. It's called "socialism" and doesn't enjoy wide acceptance in the Christian US, but stays alive in more secular Canada.
I know Christians who are all for welfare and protection of the weak and giving immigrants a chance.
To them it is not a sin.
However, it is considered immoral even by many atheists, in Europe to recieve welfare and protect the weak. It has to do with politics, not religion.
The law states that if you cannot work due to disability or sickness, you are entitled to welfare. However, you'd better be prepared for being ridiculed, and considered a sub-human by fellow citizens.
As you said, it is considered a sin in America to help the weak and provide welfare & education.
It is considered a sin in Denmark and other european nations too.
But I don't understand why.
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I don't think I said "sin". I don't think this is a religious issue at all. However, people do sometimes take their economic theories the the emotional extremes ideological zeal.philosopher wrote: ↑Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:55 pm As you said, it is considered a sin in America to help the weak and provide welfare & education.
It is considered a sin in Denmark and other european nations too.
But I don't understand why.
Generally, I would suggest that if you really want to understand any person's or nation's stance on these issues, you separate the issues, and the disciplines under which a theory regarding each issue is formed.