Do we owe Muslims another apology?
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Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Do we owe Muslims another apology?
This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz ... mic-reform
This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM
To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo
I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.
Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8
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This link says yes.
http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz ... mic-reform
This link says no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM
To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo
I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.
Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.
Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.
Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8
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DL
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
When did Arabs cease to exist to be replaced by Muslims?
And what exactly do you mean 'uncivilised'? Civilisation was born in the ME. The uncivilised thugs are the ones blowing up their countries.
Many of the worst extremists are 'British' converts to Islam, similar to the the way in which 'born again kristians' tend to be over-the-top and extreme. You seriously need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
And what exactly do you mean 'uncivilised'? Civilisation was born in the ME. The uncivilised thugs are the ones blowing up their countries.
Many of the worst extremists are 'British' converts to Islam, similar to the the way in which 'born again kristians' tend to be over-the-top and extreme. You seriously need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
I have, and do not see a Muslim.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 9:40 pm When did Arabs cease to exist to be replaced by Muslims?
And what the fuck do you mean 'uncivilised'? Civilisation was born in the ME. The uncivilised thugs are the ones blowing up their countries. You seriously need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
Did you note the statistics given that show just how un-civilized the Muslim ideology is?
Look again for the first time.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
About as uncivilised as any other religion. You seem awfully confused. Shame if you ever need surgery in a British hospital. You might be stuck, because most of the surgeons seem to be 'uncivilised' Arabs.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 pmI have, and do not see a Muslim.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 9:40 pm When did Arabs cease to exist to be replaced by Muslims?
And what the fuck do you mean 'uncivilised'? Civilisation was born in the ME. The uncivilised thugs are the ones blowing up their countries. You seriously need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
Did you note the statistics given that show just how un-civilized the Muslim ideology is?
Look again for the first time.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Still do not want to look at their theology and ideology eh. Ok.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:19 pmAbout as uncivilised as any other religion. You seem awfully confused. Shame if you ever need surgery in a British hospital. You might be stuck, because most of the surgeons seem to be 'uncivilised' Arabs.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 pmI have, and do not see a Muslim.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 9:40 pm When did Arabs cease to exist to be replaced by Muslims?
And what the fuck do you mean 'uncivilised'? Civilisation was born in the ME. The uncivilised thugs are the ones blowing up their countries. You seriously need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.
Did you note the statistics given that show just how un-civilized the Muslim ideology is?
Look again for the first time.
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For evil to grow, all we need are more people like you.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Muslims are humans like all others. They are just born within, and raised that it is the only way to be.
The problem is not muslims, but ISLAM! It is a political religion that seeks world domination, and will stop at nothing to gain it.
Murder is allowed. Lying is allowed. Anything goes to further the islamic cause! Their scriptures support it.
We must never judge muslims for being muslims, but always be vigelant towards islam! Islam is dangerous and malevolent!
The problem is not muslims, but ISLAM! It is a political religion that seeks world domination, and will stop at nothing to gain it.
Murder is allowed. Lying is allowed. Anything goes to further the islamic cause! Their scriptures support it.
We must never judge muslims for being muslims, but always be vigelant towards islam! Islam is dangerous and malevolent!
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Go fuck yourself. As a matter of fact I detest all superstition, in the same way that I detest lies and the idiots who believe them.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:30 pmStill do not want to look at their theology and ideology eh. Ok.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:19 pmAbout as uncivilised as any other religion. You seem awfully confused. Shame if you ever need surgery in a British hospital. You might be stuck, because most of the surgeons seem to be 'uncivilised' Arabs.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:15 pm
I have, and do not see a Muslim.
Did you note the statistics given that show just how un-civilized the Muslim ideology is?
Look again for the first time.
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For evil to grow, all we need are more people like you.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Anyone here remember when they first discovered 'radical islam'?
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Islam does not kill. Muslims do.QuantumT wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:35 pm Muslims are humans like all others. They are just born within, and raised that it is the only way to be.
The problem is not muslims, but ISLAM! It is a political religion that seeks world domination, and will stop at nothing to gain it.
Murder is allowed. Lying is allowed. Anything goes to further the islamic cause! Their scriptures support it.
We must never judge muslims for being muslims, but always be vigelant towards islam! Islam is dangerous and malevolent!
You are trying to divorce Muslims from Islam and you cannot do so.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
I know, I know.vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 10:38 pm Anyone here remember when they first discovered 'radical islam'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo&t=99s
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Islam tells muslims to kill infidels, but very very very few do.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:15 pm Islam does not kill. Muslims do.
You are trying to divorce Muslims from Islam and you cannot do so.
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You say I cannot divorse muslims from islam? Well ofcourse I can!
A muslim is a member of a muslim family. It's a birth burden, not a choise.
There's alot of social control though, but that will loosen with time.
In 50 years, muslims in the western countries will be no more muslims than we are christians right now.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
People who can only criticize Islam by premeditating their sentiment with 'oh, but I hate all religions', or by first shitting on another religion, are some of the most annoying people on the face of the earth. Actually, immature, is probably the word a bit more accurate to the situation. I could see a legitimate reason for why you would want to do it in the case of conversing with an actual Muslim, as it would help to establish a nuanced caveat that would lead him to believe you're not targeting his religion, specifically. But that's not the motivation that a lot of these people have. They feel the need to clarify, because the thought of agreeing with the consensus of conservative christians on anything related to that religious belief, makes them want to vomit in their mouths. It's like a petulant teenager who objects to everything his parents say, just because he wants to be an edgy contrarian.
As for your actual topic, Maajid Nawaz isn't saying to offer an apology to Muslims. But I do definitely agree with his view. Reformation of a religion isn't going to come by pretending that all of the barbaric tenets in it either don't exist, or aren't even bad. I am of the opinion that islamic fundamentalism can not co-exist with western values, but I think some proponents against the islamic faith have a pretty fruitless proposal, because what they really want isn't going to happen. The sort of method offered by him and Sam Harris is something I find to be the most practical - we aren't going to get rid of islam, so we can only reform it. Definitely don't agree with their views on immigration, though.
As for your actual topic, Maajid Nawaz isn't saying to offer an apology to Muslims. But I do definitely agree with his view. Reformation of a religion isn't going to come by pretending that all of the barbaric tenets in it either don't exist, or aren't even bad. I am of the opinion that islamic fundamentalism can not co-exist with western values, but I think some proponents against the islamic faith have a pretty fruitless proposal, because what they really want isn't going to happen. The sort of method offered by him and Sam Harris is something I find to be the most practical - we aren't going to get rid of islam, so we can only reform it. Definitely don't agree with their views on immigration, though.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
I doubt that.QuantumT wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:34 pmIslam tells muslims to kill infidels, but very very very few do.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:15 pm Islam does not kill. Muslims do.
You are trying to divorce Muslims from Islam and you cannot do so.
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You say I cannot divorse muslims from islam? Well ofcourse I can!
A muslim is a member of a muslim family. It's a birth burden, not a choise.
There's alot of social control though, but that will loosen with time.
In 50 years, muslims in the western countries will be no more muslims than we are christians right now.
Muslims are already being deported from The E. U. and many E.U countries are already pushing back.
Muslims had better get used to closed Western doors.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
Reforms are being rejected by most Muslim sects out of fear and having to admit that their ideology is un-civilized.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 11:50 pm People who can only criticize Islam by premeditating their sentiment with 'oh, but I hate all religions', or by first shitting on another religion, are some of the most annoying people on the face of the earth. Actually, immature, is probably the word a bit more accurate to the situation. I could see a legitimate reason for why you would want to do it in the case of conversing with an actual Muslim, as it would help to establish a nuanced caveat that would lead him to believe you're not targeting his religion, specifically. But that's not the motivation that a lot of these people have. They feel the need to clarify, because the thought of agreeing with the consensus of conservative christians on anything related to that religious belief, makes them want to vomit in their mouths. It's like a petulant teenager who objects to everything his parents say, just because he wants to be an edgy contrarian.
As for your actual topic, Maajid Nawaz isn't saying to offer an apology to Muslims. But I do definitely agree with his view. Reformation of a religion isn't going to come by pretending that all of the barbaric tenets in it either don't exist, or aren't even bad. I am of the opinion that islamic fundamentalism can not co-exist with western values, but I think some proponents against the islamic faith have a pretty fruitless proposal, because what they really want isn't going to happen. The sort of method offered by him and Sam Harris is something I find to be the most practical - we aren't going to get rid of islam, so we can only reform it. Definitely don't agree with their views on immigration, though.
The environment might force them to move more quickly as immigration increases and less land becomes livable.
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Re: Do we owe Muslims another apology?
We are all the same, but have different ideas. Some ideas are more crazy than others. But to stigmatise so many people, for being born and raised with one certain idea, is as crazy as Hitler was.Greatest I am wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 12:00 am I doubt that.
Muslims are already being deported from The E. U. and many E.U countries are already pushing back.
Muslims had better get used to closed Western doors.
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