Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

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Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 pm

Sacrifice is the common denominator found within all religions as the bond between man and God that enables any form of wisdom or understanding to be obtained.

Certain philosophers have observed this commonality in religious figures such as:

1)Prometheus who in giving knowledge to man was crucified upon a rock only to have his entrails continually torn from him by vultures.
2)Quetzalcoatl suffered crucifixion on behalf of man.
3)The Tau cross is a universal symbol within Egyptian Mythology, the cult of Mithras, Roman and Orthodox Christianity
4)Odin crucified himself upon the world tree in order to obtain the "runes".
5)One story of Kristna claims him murdered and hung from a tree.
6)Christ's Crucifixion as the "Word of God".

Pythagoras observe the nature of the cross as having a qualitative numerical meaning to "10", observed through the Roman Numeral X, with the nature of "10" being a foundational number which synthesized itself back to 1 (as 1 + 0 = 1) much in the same manner Crucifixion universally is observed as a cycle of death and rebirth.

It is in this nature of wisdom that an inherent degree of self-sacrifice is necessary as "Of all that is written...love only what a person hath written with his blood. Write with blood, and thou wilt find that blood is spirit."(Nietzsche)

In these respects I ask: How is wisdom any different than its own sacrificial system?

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:31 pm

Look, humans are a primitive, ape like race. Their customs are hard to explain. Some are just, weird.

They have this thing for sacrifice, its kind of like a fetish to them. Not the sanest species in the animal kingdom. I think it has something to do with their self-consciousness, awareness of their self comes with the ability to want to hate themselves, wanting to escape and suicidal tendencies.

Also, humans are better at hating than loving... They crucified Jesus because he challenged the Status quo, jews are very about status quo, about as unliberal as unliberal can be. I heard that orthodox jews are actually more transphobic than many actual muslims.

Let me explain it like this. If humans were given them a totally random person, and they had to choose, hate them or love them, they would rather hate them, 9 times out of 10.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Viveka » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 pm

Sacrifice is rooted in Love and Grace, and Love and Eudaimonia is the Religion of the Heart.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by bobevenson » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:54 pm

If Jesus Christ had lived today, everybody would be wearing little gold electric chairs around their necks.

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Post by thedoc » Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:55 am

A symbol doesn't mean anything if the person looking at the symbol doesn't know what the symbol represents.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:22 am

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:31 pm
Look, humans are a primitive, ape like race. Their customs are hard to explain. Some are just, weird.


They have this thing for sacrifice, its kind of like a fetish to them. Not the sanest species in the animal kingdom. I think it has something to do with their self-consciousness, awareness of their self comes with the ability to want to hate themselves, wanting to escape and suicidal tendencies.

All sacrificial systems embodying crucifixion and founded within a resurrection or reestablishment of being.

Also, humans are better at hating than loving... They crucified Jesus because he challenged the Status quo, jews are very about status quo, about as unliberal as unliberal can be. I heard that orthodox jews are actually more transphobic than many actual muslims.

Let me explain it like this. If humans were given them a totally random person, and they had to choose, hate them or love them, they would rather hate them, 9 times out of 10.
Equating self-sacrifice to "hate" is an act of hate in itself considering all economies (whether of a spiritual or physical nature) are bound through a transaction of the self, in various degrees, through the act of sacrfice. To hate a sacrificial system not only is to hate justice but also the transaction of being which reason is founded upon.
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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:23 am

bobevenson wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:54 pm
If Jesus Christ had lived today, everybody would be wearing little gold electric chairs around their necks.
Last time I checked the Christians still believe he is alive today. "If the modern world existed back then" is a moot point considering it is just a blip in the history books under the weight of progress.

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Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:25 am

thedoc wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:55 am
A symbol doesn't mean anything if the person looking at the symbol doesn't know what the symbol represents.
Who says a symbol is limited to the person observing it? A symbol acts not only as a transfer of information (physically, spiritually, emotionally) but also as a cultural form of memory. To say a symbol "morphs" entirely over time is a moot point considering those who argue that point often times knows its history and roots.

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Post by Eodnhoj7 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:27 am

Viveka wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 pm
Sacrifice is rooted in Love and Grace, and Love and Eudaimonia is the Religion of the Heart.
And no love for someone or something greater than themselves was involved in the above examples?

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Post by thedoc » Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:06 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:25 am
thedoc wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:55 am
A symbol doesn't mean anything if the person looking at the symbol doesn't know what the symbol represents.
Who says a symbol is limited to the person observing it? A symbol acts not only as a transfer of information (physically, spiritually, emotionally) but also as a cultural form of memory. To say a symbol "morphs" entirely over time is a moot point considering those who argue that point often times knows its history and roots.
A symbol does nothing and means nothing unless someone is observing it and understands what it symbolizes.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:47 pm

thedoc wrote:
Thu Nov 23, 2017 3:06 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:25 am
thedoc wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:55 am
A symbol doesn't mean anything if the person looking at the symbol doesn't know what the symbol represents.
Who says a symbol is limited to the person observing it? A symbol acts not only as a transfer of information (physically, spiritually, emotionally) but also as a cultural form of memory. To say a symbol "morphs" entirely over time is a moot point considering those who argue that point often times knows its history and roots.
A symbol does nothing and means nothing unless someone is observing it and understands what it symbolizes.
Crucifixion, while symbolic in nature, is simultaneously an act of total surrender and self-sacrifice for something or someone other than themselves.

See above argument, repeating yourself without an extended argument does not mean anything unless someone is observing it and understands what you are saying.

If a symbol is being used, it is being observed, regardless of the depth of understanding a level of understanding does occur regardless.

Take for example a gangster using a crucifix for some form of "self-expression". While the full religious significance is not attached to it in his context of meaning, some level of "religousness", "self-sacrifice", "goodness", etc. is usually understood by the gangster as part of it.

Another example would be the swastika. As a religious symbol it represents "well-being", "good luck" in many east indian religions. The nazis adopted it as a source of nationalistic pride which by default extends itself as "well-being", as they claimed to be a superior race.

Certain constants views with symoblism occur even when the are "missused". With the abuse of the symbol by the nazi party it further began to be observed as a symbol of death, evil, etc. In these respects the swastika manifests a dualistic quality in interpretation as representing good and evil in different respects.

The same occurs for symbols such as the snake, eye, etc.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by DPMartin » Wed Nov 29, 2017 4:53 pm

Biblically speaking:
What is the reason for covering nakedness in the Lord God’s sight? There in is the wisdom of the “sacrifice”.

A sacrifice is a victim because the sacrifice is innocent, and is to cover the shame of the guilt of the offeror, from the Judge’s sight. When the Lord God made coats of skins, and clothed them (A&E). It was the life of the innocent that was sacrificed. Also, Abel’s offering was respected because Abel respected the Lord God’s covering of them, because his offering of the flock was in respect to God’s covering. And Abel was the first man to experience death, who died at the hand of his brother who was wroth because God had respect to Abel and Abel’s offering.

But how sacrifices played out through the generations is on those who were trusted to teach it. For example, Abraham’s father was an idol maker and direct descendant of Noah and Noah was still alive through out Abraham’s father’s life. So, when it came to things of worship God wise it doesn’t take long for man to go his own way.

And in the case of Christ, God provided the offering (like when Abraham was going to offer his son Isaac that Abraham told his son earlier that God would provide) that the chosen people “Children of Israel” brought to the Romans (gentiles) to crucify. If my memory serves, in the offerings like the Passover or personal offerings the offeror is the killer of the sacrifice, not the priest.

Thing is, the Creator and Judge sees all man through Adam, and now Noah (who found Grace in God’s sight) and now the “born again” are seen through the innocence of Christ, receiving the Life of Christ, just as one receives the life of Noah when one comes into the world.
A&E lost the Life in the garden, and was left with the life already there in the flesh that any animal has. And the sons of man remained in that life until Jesus restored the Life that was given Adam and Eve in the first place. And that Life was the son of God.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Seleucus » Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:27 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 pm
Sacrifice is the common denominator found within all religions as the bond between man and God that enables any form of wisdom or understanding to be obtained.
ACIM explicitly rejects that position and insists instead that the separation never happened and therefore there was no sacrifice to repay any sins of Adam; only a sick and twisted God, which is not God's nature, would need sacrifice. It is instead ego which is mad. You might find it interesting if you haven't already to review this spiritual system?

http://stobblehouse.com/text/ACIM.pdf

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by GreatandWiseTrixie » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:21 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:22 am
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:31 pm
Look, humans are a primitive, ape like race. Their customs are hard to explain. Some are just, weird.


They have this thing for sacrifice, its kind of like a fetish to them. Not the sanest species in the animal kingdom. I think it has something to do with their self-consciousness, awareness of their self comes with the ability to want to hate themselves, wanting to escape and suicidal tendencies.

All sacrificial systems embodying crucifixion and founded within a resurrection or reestablishment of being.

Also, humans are better at hating than loving... They crucified Jesus because he challenged the Status quo, jews are very about status quo, about as unliberal as unliberal can be. I heard that orthodox jews are actually more transphobic than many actual muslims.

Let me explain it like this. If humans were given them a totally random person, and they had to choose, hate them or love them, they would rather hate them, 9 times out of 10.
Equating self-sacrifice to "hate" is an act of hate in itself considering all economies (whether of a spiritual or physical nature) are bound through a transaction of the self, in various degrees, through the act of sacrfice. To hate a sacrificial system not only is to hate justice but also the transaction of being which reason is founded upon.
This is typical crazy talk you'd hear from a human being. First, they make ridiculous equalities, like 2+2=5, then followed by an absurd hyperbolic claim of 30's era political grandiosity. I applaud you for your humor.

Best not to argue, and just listen to the hilarity go on.

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Re: Sacrificial Systems Rooted in Crucifixion as Means to Wisdom and Understanding

Post by Eodnhoj7 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:13 am

Seleucus wrote:
Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:27 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 pm
Sacrifice is the common denominator found within all religions as the bond between man and God that enables any form of wisdom or understanding to be obtained.
ACIM explicitly rejects that position and insists instead that the separation never happened and therefore there was no sacrifice to repay any sins of Adam; only a sick and twisted God, which is not God's nature, would need sacrifice. It is instead ego which is mad. You might find it interesting if you haven't already to review this spiritual system?

http://stobblehouse.com/text/ACIM.pdf
ACIM position does not equate to the standard view of many religions and does not account for free will. If no seperation took place, then by default Adam and Eve would have no free will and God would be a tyrant. Love would be tyranny.

If you don't believe that then look at the nature of the seed. It must first die before it grows into a flower or a tree. Or look at a sports player who must make sacrifices in order to excel at a specific sport. Sacrifice is universal moral system.

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