Harbal wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:17 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:46 pm
Now, that's interesting. What do you mean when you say they're "wrong"?
Well I don't really know why pornography was in there, you must have your own reasons for including it but I wouldn't put it in the same category as the rest. If I find the thought of being subjected to murder objectionable, which I do, I can hardly say it's okay for someone else, can I?
Sure you can.
As an Atheist, if you were one, there would be no reason you owe anybody the same as you get. Who says?
Like many people, I have an aversion to seeing people in extreme distress, therefore I try to avoid causing it. I can't explain the mental or psychological process that gives rise to this aversion but that doesn't prevent it from being effective.
For you, yes...I don't doubt it. But for all Atheists? That's pretty clearly not the case.
If you say that your moral views are binding, then it is you who has to answer the skeptic as to why he / she is obligated.
So what would you say?
I'd say my principles are as important to me as God's are to you.
Maybe. But that's not the question.
They might "bind" you, but do they "bind" anybody else? If they don't, then they're just your personal preference. You happen to be a nice guy, maybe; but there's no reason in that fact that anybody else has to be.
...Furthermore, as I undeniably do exist and God most probably does not...
What has made this "probable" to you?
Christianity has chopped and changed through the ages.
What did you have in mind?
Well I believe they've abandoned the practice of hunting down witches to burn and -at least part of- the Christian establishment has changed its attitude towards homosexuality.
The Christian moral position on these is abundantly clear, and has always been. But that perfidious human nature of ours...some people do what God commands, and some fail to do so, and some do things not commanded...even invoking the name of God to back them in that.
That's not a fault of the morality, and certainly not of God. It's just further evidence of the perfidy of human nature, and the remoteness that capitulating to human nature will ever produce the ideal state. Meanwhile, nothing about the moral truth has changed there. If witchcraft or homosexuality were morally right, they would always have been so, regardless of people's practices with regard to them; and if they were not, then no amount of modern accommodation can ever make them moral. They are as they are.