Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:08 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
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Walker wrote:
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Lumping the clergy of disparate religions into one is in itself a lie.
The point is, that, if there is supposed to be ONE god, then their ought to be ONE religion, and ONE set of beliefs about god.
Try and think this through for a few seconds.
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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:19 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:08 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:51 am
Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:30 am
Lumping the clergy of disparate religions into one is in itself a lie.
The point is, that, if there is supposed to be ONE god, then their ought to be ONE religion, and ONE set of beliefs about god.
Try and think this through for a few seconds.
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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Walker » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:48 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:19 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:08 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:51 am


The point is, that, if there is supposed to be ONE god, then their ought to be ONE religion, and ONE set of beliefs about god.
Try and think this through for a few seconds.
Welcome to the Church of Ouzo.
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Religion is man’s interpretation of the elephant, which is an allegory for reality, and no man can encompass the whole elephant in his reach. Or maybe it's metaphor.

There was one man who could touch the tusks, so this became his view.
Swords are much like tusks, and so attached was he to the limitations of his reach, that he named his.

There was another man who could touch the heart of the elephant.

Another touched the mind.

Some can only touch the ass of the elephant, and they too behave accordingly.

Without intent to take lightly the privilege of posting, this light video illustrates the principle of the preceding observation, and apologies if it misses the focus of your sagacity. You’ve seen it before, but perhaps with all that has been learned in the meantime, effectively transforming you, it has new meaning. Like re-reading a book when you’re another person, further down the stream.

You just gotta learn to laugh when considering the empirical effects of the world being within you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bQnxlHZsjY

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:54 pm

Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:43 am
... into a common category, obviously.
Yes, but not the same religion as I was accused of doing.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:58 pm

Dubious wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:14 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:38 am
Dubious wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:24 am


Since when have theists believed in the obvious!
They often do not and I was indicating that they would be the only ones to explain their lack of common sense and logic.

They seem dead set on living by what martin Luther said.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
What's interesting about this quote is that atheists would never go to any such extreme with what theists believe, not in the Western sphere anyways proving how toxic theism really is.
This link speaks more about religious ideologies but what is said also applies to political and other ideologies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxoxPapPxXk

In that sense, all ideologies that prevent free thought and flexible thinking are toxic.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:02 pm

osgart wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:22 am
mayhaps if one preached truth, with honesty a preacher wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

:oops: :mrgreen:

I would never ever listen to a preacher though, their track record for truth is abysmal.
I agree, but there are a few ideologies and even religions that try for truth.

I chose Gnostic Christianity for that reason. Christianity hate the notion of truth and that is why they decimated them and tried to burn all of the more truthful scriptures and myths.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:06 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:19 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:08 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:51 am


The point is, that, if there is supposed to be ONE god, then their ought to be ONE religion, and ONE set of beliefs about god.
Try and think this through for a few seconds.
Welcome to the Church of Ouzo.
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I'm not sure if you need a psychiatrist or a schoolteacher.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Fri Oct 06, 2017 6:08 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:06 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:19 pm
bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:08 pm

Welcome to the Church of Ouzo.
This idiot crawls out from under his rock to make me point for me.
I'm not sure if you need a psychiatrist or a schoolteacher.
Your confusion is noted. Please attend your clinic and keep taking your pills.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:46 pm

Not confused, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting you may have a medical issue rather than an educational one.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Harbal » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:52 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:46 pm
Not confused, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt by suggesting you may have a medical issue rather than an educational one.
Where is the benefit it implying someone is nuts rather than just poorly educated?

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by bobevenson » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:00 pm

Hey, anybody can come down with a medical problem, both dumb and smart people.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by osgart » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:55 am

isn't it right to prove all things, and test all things for yourself. I don't see any other way.

Blind trust is a fool's game. and it is neither good for the truster, nor the trusted.

take out your God measuring stick, and see for yourself the very least God should be, and toward all, the believer, the non believer, the fool, and anyone else. criminals, professionals etc.

thence forward compare God to the known reality, the one humans experience on their own.

I'd try with all my might to see all important things for myself first.

I ain't putting on my bible goggles, and looking at other people and the whole environment of existence through those pages or any other books unless I deem them worthy.

the judgment of self is all important.

the idea of God, is to see what would an ideal being of omniscient authority be. it's an exercise of the heart and mind, to hypothesize it.

the next thing I would do is test my ideals as compared to other ideals, and ultimately to reality.

are my ideals real? are they worthy? or is there no way of them.

finally I'd ask what is real, and what is fallacy. and who am i? and whom are all these other people?

I must say that video is revealing something many religious people do, blind obedience.

I wonder if they even know themselves, much less a God.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:57 pm

osgart wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:55 am
isn't it right to prove all things, and test all things for yourself. I don't see any other way.

Blind trust is a fool's game. and it is neither good for the truster, nor the trusted.

take out your God measuring stick, and see for yourself the very least God should be, and toward all, the believer, the non believer, the fool, and anyone else. criminals, professionals etc.

thence forward compare God to the known reality, the one humans experience on their own.

I'd try with all my might to see all important things for myself first.

I ain't putting on my bible goggles, and looking at other people and the whole environment of existence through those pages or any other books unless I deem them worthy.

the judgment of self is all important.

the idea of God, is to see what would an ideal being of omniscient authority be. it's an exercise of the heart and mind, to hypothesize it.

the next thing I would do is test my ideals as compared to other ideals, and ultimately to reality.

are my ideals real? are they worthy? or is there no way of them.

finally I'd ask what is real, and what is fallacy. and who am i? and whom are all these other people?

I must say that video is revealing something many religious people do, blind obedience.

I wonder if they even know themselves, much less a God.
Wow. A thinking mind.

You sound like a good candidate for Gnosticism. Nice to see.

If they do not seek and remain idol worshipers, they will not do the work of finding what we call God.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Harbal » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:00 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:57 pm

Wow. A thinking mind.

You sound like a good candidate for Gnosticism.
Make your mind up, which is it?

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Philosophy Explorer » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:05 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:00 pm
Hey, anybody can come down with a medical problem, both dumb and smart people.
You're living proof as AMod says you have monomania. :lol:

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