Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by bobevenson » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:06 pm

Please, I was visited by the mystical perfection of seven prophetic visions, four visual, two auditory and one automatic writing.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

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bobevenson wrote:
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Please, I was visited by the mystical perfection of seven prophetic visions, four visual, two auditory and one automatic writing.
And Scrooge was visited by the ghosts of Christmas past, present and future.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Dubious » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:34 pm

Why would the obvious require proof?

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by bobevenson » Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:39 pm

What's obvious to a prophet is not necessarily obvious to the hoi polloi.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:28 pm

Dubious wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:34 pm
Why would the obvious require proof?
You would have to ask a theist.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:28 pm

Greatest I am wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:07 pm
Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Compare the religious nutter on this Forum.
They do not agree on the most basic facts about god, yet they all claim to know His mind.
This does not necessarily mean they are lying - that means intentional deception by telling a story you know not to be true - they might actually believe the stuff they claim. The fact that they all ignore salient logical points at will, and have profound disrespect for evidence, and seem incapable of simple reasoning over key matters points to self deception rather than attempting to deceive others.

The difference to their interlocutors is not less important. They may or not be trying to deceive, or simply in a state of self deception. What is important is that you keep your self respect, logic, and reason firm and do not let yourself succumb to the lure of the promise of eternal life, redemption or any other BS.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:23 am

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:28 pm
Greatest I am wrote:
Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:07 pm
Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Compare the religious nutter on this Forum.
They do not agree on the most basic facts about god, yet they all claim to know His mind.
This does not necessarily mean they are lying - that means intentional deception by telling a story you know not to be true - they might actually believe the stuff they claim. The fact that they all ignore salient logical points at will, and have profound disrespect for evidence, and seem incapable of simple reasoning over key matters points to self deception rather than attempting to deceive others.

The difference to their interlocutors is not less important. They may or not be trying to deceive, or simply in a state of self deception. What is important is that you keep your self respect, logic, and reason firm and do not let yourself succumb to the lure of the promise of eternal life, redemption or any other BS.
Twice today, we are on the same page. :D

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Dubious » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:24 am

Greatest I am wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:28 pm
Dubious wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:34 pm
Why would the obvious require proof?
You would have to ask a theist.
Since when have theists believed in the obvious!

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Walker » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:30 am

Lumping the clergy of disparate religions into one is in itself a lie.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:38 am

Dubious wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:24 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:28 pm
Dubious wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:34 pm
Why would the obvious require proof?
You would have to ask a theist.
Since when have theists believed in the obvious!
They often do not and I was indicating that they would be the only ones to explain their lack of common sense and logic.

They seem dead set on living by what martin Luther said.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Greatest I am » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:40 am

Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:30 am
Lumping the clergy of disparate religions into one is in itself a lie.
I do not do so.

I was not placing them in the one religion, but only indicate that they all have the same perpetual lying trait.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Walker » Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:43 am

... into a common category, obviously.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Dubious » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:14 am

Greatest I am wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:38 am
Dubious wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:24 am
Greatest I am wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:28 pm
You would have to ask a theist.
Since when have theists believed in the obvious!
They often do not and I was indicating that they would be the only ones to explain their lack of common sense and logic.

They seem dead set on living by what martin Luther said.
“Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.”
“Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.”
What's interesting about this quote is that atheists would never go to any such extreme with what theists believe, not in the Western sphere anyways proving how toxic theism really is.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by osgart » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:22 am

mayhaps if one preached truth, with honesty a preacher wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

:oops: :mrgreen:

I would never ever listen to a preacher though, their track record for truth is abysmal.

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Re: Is this proof that priests, preachers and imams are all perpetual liars?

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:51 am

Walker wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:30 am
Lumping the clergy of disparate religions into one is in itself a lie.
The point is, that, if there is supposed to be ONE god, then their ought to be ONE religion, and ONE set of beliefs about god.
Try and think this through for a few seconds.

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