thedoc wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:31 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 28, 2017 9:52 pm
There is nothing outside of seeing that can see. Anything seen is inseparable from the seer..
So you deny reality in order to make your point? There are certain Eastern Mystics that believe that if they can focus their mental energies everything physical will disperse into nothing and only they will be left in a non-corporeal state. When you achieve that, let me know and I'll see if there is someone who can pull you back to reality.
There is no one to deny reality. Reality is this ever immediate boundless presence right here and now in which every apparent thing arises and falls self- evident. This presence is alone with itself. There is nothing inside or outside of it bar it self. It's not a thing, it's not a person, it's not anything at all... all things arise and fall in IT as mental constructions made of intangible abstract thoughts, concepts, feelings, ideas, beliefs, emotions, etc...
What the mystic means by this is what we normally believe to be a separate person living in a world that appears to be outside of us, does not actually exist except as an idea in presence that is already here right now, there is nothing outside or inside of this immediate presence, there is no ''us'' ''me'' or ''them'' separate from PRESENCE. The apparent separate identified things are ''appearances'' within presence, much like an ice-cube is to an entire body of liquid water, the ice-cube appears to stand out separately from the liquid water, but once the ice-cube dissolves it instantly merges with the liquid water, it is the water, it only appeared to be an ice-cube...the human mind is like that, it can appear to divide the whole into two parts, it can be liquid or solid, apparently appearing as two, but never two.
The mystic is like the ice-cube merging back into it's original state, from the mis-identified state of separation back to the wholeness of this boundless presence which is it's true identity, which is no identity, and to realise there never was a mystic, man or woman or person except the idea appearing in this obvious presence that is no thing, and everything.