How to exit the religious mess!

Is there a God? If so, what is She like?

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:11 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:36 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:31 pm
thedoc wrote:Have you had the experience? if not quit projecting your lack onto others.
Can you describe the experience of actually being dead?

One cannot experience death, and same goes for alive, one cannot experience alive.

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That's not what I meant.
Living is experiencing, you can't experience death.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by SpheresOfBalance » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:12 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:28 pm
ken wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:24 am
... you obviously enjoy masturbating with yourself.

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that's the whole point of masturbating. Having sex with someone else os not masturbating.
masturbation [mas-ter-bey-shuh n]
noun
1. the stimulation or manipulation of one's own genitals, especially to orgasm; sexual self-gratification.
2. the stimulation, by manual or other means exclusive of coitus, of another's genitals, especially to orgasm. --dictionary.com--


Of course he probably took definition #2 into consideration. But of course he meant that from your perspective it's you, only ever you, or seemingly, you mostly ever project. As if you could actually ever be smart, or can you feel the radiation in your head? ;-)

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Dontaskme » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:26 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:11 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:36 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:31 pm

Can you describe the experience of actually being dead?

One cannot experience death, and same goes for alive, one cannot experience alive.

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That's not what I meant.
Living is experiencing, you can't experience death.
If you can't experience death....are you only experiencing living?

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Hobbes' Choice » Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:56 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:26 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:11 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:36 pm



One cannot experience death, and same goes for alive, one cannot experience alive.

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That's not what I meant.
Living is experiencing, you can't experience death.
If you can't experience death....are you only experiencing living?

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Life is the experience. You feel yourself alive and that is cashed out in all sensory and mindful experience.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Dontaskme » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:04 pm

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:56 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 10:26 pm
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:11 pm


That's not what I meant.
Living is experiencing, you can't experience death.
If you can't experience death....are you only experiencing living?

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Life is the experience. You feel yourself alive and that is cashed out in all sensory and mindful experience.
So if you can only feel yourself alive in the sensory experience, but cannot experience death, then you must live this sensory and mindful experiencing forever right?

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by thedoc » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:28 pm

Well I'm glad my post has sparked a meaningless and fruitless exchange between those who say nothing.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by thedoc » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:31 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:29 pm
I don't know what I said 2 seconds ago ...never mind a long time ago.
That much is obvious.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Dontaskme » Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:51 am

thedoc wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:28 pm
Well I'm glad my post has sparked a meaningless and fruitless exchange between those who say nothing.
Doc, did you have a clinical death or a complete brain/biological death?

And why was it frightening?

Do you have nothing to say about this?

Or were your previous musings about having died just somehtings about nothings you've archived away to memory?

Remember, memories are not alive, they are past ideas that have no existence now...they're dead.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by thedoc » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:01 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:51 am

Do you have nothing to say about this?
I've made my post, believe it or not, your choice.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Dontaskme » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:54 pm

thedoc wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:01 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 8:51 am

Do you have nothing to say about this?
I've made my post, believe it or not, your choice.

Well you're right of course, it's you're belief that you died, who I am to disbelieve that belief...there is no such thing as a non-belief.

I've died too if it's any consolation.

It was scary losing all my personal identity, but the best part was from the release and the lightness of being, it was worth more than any of that heavy baggage I kept carrying around with me.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by Dalek Prime » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:10 pm

attofishpi wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:31 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 3:15 pm
Arising_uk wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:04 pm
Is this not a definition?
Which makes this false.
And therefore this untrue.


What remains when all beliefs have failed...that's it...it's what life is, without referring to thought.
Truth cannot be defined although defining is truth defining itself.
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Most of the time i think your brain must be stuck in some sort of infinite loop - basically a screwed algorithm. Blabbing out the same boring tripe, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over, over and over, and over.....BORING BULLSHITE.
Sorry, could you repeat that for those not paying attention?

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by thedoc » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:53 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:54 pm

It was scary losing all my personal identity, but the best part was from the release and the lightness of being, it was worth more than any of that heavy baggage I kept carrying around with me.

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I had a similar experience in college, I was attending one college and feeling trapped at that school. Then I discovered that I could transfer all my credits to another similar school and suddenly I felt free to do whatever I wanted.

BTW, I stayed at the first school and graduated Magna Cum thankyou very much, The weren't going to let me graduate at first.

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Re: How to exit the religious mess!

Post by daramantus » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:21 am

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:59 pm
Dontaskme wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:59 am
Belinda wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:17 am
It's not to be doubted that often enough we are aware when we have been dreaming. Memory is one of our sources of information. The other source of our information is the world outside of our heads. When we remember a dream we are unable to remember the pure dream which has memory only as its information source and we cannot use the part of our brain minds which make up intelligible stories and explanations. It is only after we wake up that we remember the dream but by that time we simply cannot remember the simple dream content minus our interpretation of it.
Just as we are not able to remember our dreams...we are not able to remember the events of waking life....since all empirical data is stored as memory ..In this immediate present moment nothing ever happens...what happens is from memory brought to life now....NOW CANNOT HAPPEN...it's ONE SEAMLESS ENDLESS CONSTANT FLOW....what does happen now instantaneously becomes past ...so The only thing alive here is memory...memory is always from the past, and so it's a kind of death brought back to life NOW... death is this aliveness, or aliveness is this death....they are the same one state appearing different.

It's only ever NOW...future never happens, as future can only happen NOW...past doesn't exist, because past is only memory...neither does future exist. So all we have here living life is Only this silent background awareness aware of the embodied experience called life.

There is no "me" to experience AWARENESS - there's only AWARENESS..
Me is any particular container of awareness capability, though any particular container is not necessarily completely aware. Cases in point! Are we all actually completely heroes? Yes, I know we all want to be!

What is experienced as embodied being typically is projection, not perception. The mind-created-sense-of "me" (personal-identity) is an illusion, a mental projection, not actual. Meaning we take something as so..that isn't so.

So, "what" is writing these words here? "What" is reading these words now? "What" worries about understanding "this" or "that", "what's" afraid of "them" and "those"? A made-up person, with a made-up history and a made-up personality. Made up by mind. It is mind writing these words and mind interpreting these words.

That which is aware of all of "this and that", saying nothing, thinking nothing, doing nothing about any of it, is Self simply noticing mind illuminated by awareness (Self).

And what is noticed is mind and that which is not-mind (Self) watching mind. And that which is not-mind contains mind. In a sense, not-mind is an ever opened doorway, never closed.
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Your rationalizations have been discombobulated. Though there are bits of truth here and there. As with all, it's your summation that requires a bit of work! We'll get there one day, it's just not today! And as I see it, we won't realize that day for quite some time, if ever!
no, 'me' is the representation of one's consciousness, you have awareness, as you are aware. the 'you' is aware.

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