THE RELIGIONS – THEIR FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE

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Re: THE RELIGIONS – THEIR FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE

Post by Justintruth » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:48 pm

Dontaskme wrote:
When looking in a mirror a reflection of the seer is seen but not the actual seer.


When using a mirror the light is reflected back into your eye allowing you to see the body which sees. We call the body that sees - the seer. The fact that it is the body that sees can be demonstrated in a lot of ways. The simplest is with an anesthesia. Administer the right chemical to the body you see in a mirror and watch what happens to the seeing.
Dontaskme wrote: The body is seen, but the body is not the seer.


That the body is the seer can be demonstrated by many means. Turn the light off in a room and watch what happens to seeing. Then cover the eyes of the body with a good blindfold and see the similarity. This kind of thing forms the real basis for the claim that it is the body that sees.
Dontaskme wrote: It's the instrument of seeing.


Usually the term instrument is used to describe a device that is not your body. However that is arbitrary. You can call your brain an instrument but if you do you must also say that some instruments - a brain - sees and others - a telescope - do not. You must account for this difference.
Dontaskme wrote: The body is never actually seen, it is known as it is seen.
The process of visualization and imagination is indeed involved. But once in place a statement like: "I saw the red light" can be true or false.
Dontaskme wrote: The seer and the seen appear only when there is seeing.

True. We cannot have a seer be present when not seeing. If no one is seeing there is no seer present.

Dontaskme wrote: They are attributes of seeing ONLY.


True. Real attributes. Not imaginary but real.
Dontaskme wrote: You can be aware of the known body as conceived in this conception but not of a knower. Knowing is a reflection of you. Knowing is a fact. The knower of the known is a fiction.
The knower of the known is not a fiction. You can have a witness to a crime as a very simple example.

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Re: THE RELIGIONS – THEIR FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE

Post by Dontaskme » Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:18 pm

Justintruth wrote:
Usually the term instrument is used to describe a device that is not your body. However that is arbitrary. You can call your brain an instrument but if you do you must also say that some instruments - a brain - sees and others - a telescope - do not. You must account for this difference.
There is seeing evidenced in the images seen. The images seen cannot see the seer.

Nothing is seeing. Everything seen including a telescope is an image of the imageless.

Everything appearing is emptiness appearing as fullness which is empty.

Infinity is zero.

Zero is infinity.

The infinite state is always already at, in, of, and as the zeropoint-or always already and irreducibly prior to all numbers, all quantities, all "objects", and all "difference".

The zero-point is always already at, in, of, and as the infinite state-or always already and irreducibly prior to "point of view" (or ego-"I", or separate "self"-definition) and always already and irreducibly prior to all "others".

The infinite state and the zero-point are always already and irreducibly one and the same, always already and irreducibly prior to both separate "self' (or ego-"I") and all of "not-self" (or "object", "other", and "difference").

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Re: THE RELIGIONS – THEIR FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE

Post by osgart » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:05 am

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