Do you see the power?

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Ah but that's the whole point. When Eddy is in the space/time continuum, the creation date of your particular model is not relevant, as it can temporarily become a later model for the duration of the spin cycle only to return to the 2011 model when at rest.
Yes, of course, now I come to think of it, I did forget to press the "disable time travel" button. Anyway, the fact remains that I'm still a sock down.
Confusious says man without sock has fresher feet.
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Dontaskme wrote:
Harbal wrote:and I can't understand your preference for rejecting it in favour of the unknowable.
But I don't understand what you mean by this statement..would you like to elaborate?
If I am misinterpreting you I apologise but you seem to be advocating that we see our existence as a system of mysterious energy waves and intangible concepts. While existence/creation/the Universe is much more than our powers of perception enable us to experience, I think we would be better to confine ourselves to making the most of the part of it that is accessible to our senses. Just as we would expect to be able to communicate more effectively in our own native language, rather than a foreign one, surely we would expect to experience our own existence most satisfactorily if we experience it in accordance with the way our cognitive apparatus is already configured.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: My washing machine produced a small pink child's wooly glove last year!!
Let's just hope the child doesn't turn up in there, at some point.
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Confusious says man without sock has fresher feet.
What does Confusious say about man with one fresh foot and one rather unsavoury foot?
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Harbal wrote:
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Harbal wrote:and I can't understand your preference for rejecting it in favour of the unknowable.
But I don't understand what you mean by this statement..would you like to elaborate?
If I am misinterpreting you I apologise but you seem to be advocating that we see our existence as a system of mysterious energy waves and intangible concepts. While existence/creation/the Universe is much more than our powers of perception enable us to experience, I think we would be better to confine ourselves to making the most of the part of it that is accessible to our senses. Just as we would expect to be able to communicate more effectively in our own native language, rather than a foreign one, surely we would expect to experience our own existence most satisfactorily if we experience it in accordance with the way our cognitive apparatus is already configured.
I'm saying that everything is known , else it wouldn't be. This doesn't know how or why it is, only that it is. It's a mystery even to itself is all I'm saying. And you are right in that it can only know what is accessible, what it has been experiential to it.

The ABSOLUTE ALL cannot be known as a whole thing not even to itself, how can one thing exist?

How does one thing know or see itself? the all seeing awareness cannot see itself, it can only see parts of itself at reflected fragmented images. Bentinho explains this beautifully if you are interested. I cannot put this into words as precisely as he does.

We as part of that known cannot know how or why everything is the way it is because we are already the known that exists. There is not two here, there is no knower of the known, there is only knowing. There is only the known, reality being a verb.

There is nothing existing outside the everything that already exists ....who knows it exists. It's ever one with the knowing. The known.

The one growing the grass is the same one growing the human. Grass and human are concepts known. That which is already known cannot know anything since it is inclusive of everything known.

I invite you to watch that video by Bentinho Massaro to get a clear and concise picture of how everything is known, but not by 'I' the assumed separate entity.

If this is not for you then I respect that, but please give it some consideration. I would gladly pay you a million pounds to watch it if money was not a problem for me. That's how much I want you to watch it.

if you do decide to watch it, please I would love to hear your feedback comments.

You might even say well yeah, that's just about how it is, and that will be great.
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Harbal wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote: My washing machine produced a small pink child's wooly glove last year!!
Let's just hope the child doesn't turn up in there, at some point.
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Confusious says man without sock has fresher feet.
What does Confusious say about man with one fresh foot and one rather unsavoury foot?
I think you have already paraphrased what he is quoted as saying. Spooky!
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Harbal wrote:What does Confusious say about man with one fresh foot and one rather unsavoury foot?
He says,I've only got one foot in this smelly loony bin. The other is up my arse.
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I think you have already paraphrased what he is quoted as saying. Spooky!
Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in? ....what do you mean by spooky, what is spooky?
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I think you have already paraphrased what he is quoted as saying. Spooky!
Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in? ....what do you mean by spooky, what is spooky?
I think you need to review the conversation for risibility.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in?
You are welcome to join in but, in order to do so, you will probably have to suspend your beliefs and try to imagine things like washing machines and socks are just ordinary everyday objects with there own separate existence.
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Harbal wrote:
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Hobbes' Choice wrote: Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in?
You are welcome to join in but, in order to do so, you will probably have to suspend your beliefs and try to imagine things like washing machines and socks are just ordinary everyday objects with there own separate existence.
Separate means to divide, so what have these ordinary objects been divided from that they are able to exist independently on their own?

I would like a proper answer, not a silly joke answer please. :D
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Dontaskme wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
I think you have already paraphrased what he is quoted as saying. Spooky!
Is this a private conversation or can anyone join in? ....what do you mean by spooky, what is spooky?
I think you need to review the conversation for risibility.
Actually I find human beings to be the most hilarious creatures on the planet.... I love that this forum is bat shit crazy and people are allowed to voice their opinions without being banned, it's a say what you like forum, to me that is totally what I would class as normal, because in my opinion people take them self far too seriously on most forums and in life. but here, I feel right at home with normal human beings. I do read the silliness and love it, often smiling from ear to ear ...I love it.

However, sometimes I don't always know what other people mean by what they are saying, so I genuinely want to know what you mean by spooky in the conversation. I know what spooky means but what was he referring to when he said spooky?
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Dontaskme wrote: Separate means to divide, so what have these ordinary objects been divided from that they are able to exist independently on their own?
I don't know how the objects came to be independent, all I do know is that when I put on my socks and leave the house, the washing machine tends to remain where it is. You may think there is a lack of rigour in my reasoning but I am content to accept the above state of affairs as adequate evidence that my socks have a separate existence to my washing machine.
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Harbal wrote:
Dontaskme wrote: Separate means to divide, so what have these ordinary objects been divided from that they are able to exist independently on their own?
I don't know how the objects came to be independent, all I do know is that when I put on my socks and leave the house, the washing machine tends to remain where it is. You may think there is a lack of rigour in my reasoning but I am content to accept the above state of affairs as adequate evidence that my socks have a separate existence to my washing machine.
But the washing machines tend to stay where they are because washing machines can't walk.

So the question still remains, if separation is an illusion which science supports, what is it that allows the illusion of separation to exist? what are things separated from?
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So the question still remains, if separation is an illusion which science supports, what is it that allows the illusion of separation to exist? what are things separated from?
If science supports separation being an illusion then your best bet is to ask a scientist. I do not support it so I am the wrong person to ask.
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So the question still remains, if separation is an illusion which science supports, what is it that allows the illusion of separation to exist? what are things separated from?
If science supports separation being an illusion then your best bet is to ask a scientist. I do not support it so I am the wrong person to ask.
I already know the answer, but wanted to know why you don't, but fine if you don't believe in separation being an illusion. Lets leave it at that.
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