"The Varieties of Religious Experience"

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by bobevenson » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:37 pm

I think hugging your teddy bear might solve some of your problems.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Arising_uk » Thu Apr 14, 2016 4:50 pm

Absolute fool it is then and in your own words no less. :lol:

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by bobevenson » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:34 pm

Arising_uk wrote:Absolute fool it is then and in your own words no less. :lol:
OK, I'm sorry I let the cat out of the bag by telling people you have a girl's name and a teddy bear.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by thedoc » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:43 pm

bobevenson wrote:
Arising_uk wrote:Absolute fool it is then and in your own words no less. :lol:
OK, I'm sorry I let the cat out of the bag by telling people you have a girl's name and a teddy bear.
If he has a girls name, I certainly hope he'll give it back.

Minnie Pearl once said she had the body on an 18 year old, and someone else said she'd better give it back because she wasn't taking very good care of it.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:05 am

bobevenson wrote:OK, I'm sorry I let the cat out of the bag by telling people you have a girl's name and a teddy bear.
:lol: Time to leave the 70's Merlin, but then you are an absolute fool are you not?

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by bobevenson » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:51 pm

Arising_uk wrote:
bobevenson wrote:OK, I'm sorry I let the cat out of the bag by telling people you have a girl's name and a teddy bear.
Time to leave the 70's Merlin.
Merlin -- magician, seer, prophet.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Obvious Leo » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:12 pm

Merlin. A fictional character from Arthurian mythology. Limey socialist propaganda you shouldn't associate yourself with, Bob.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:17 pm

bobevenson wrote:Merlin -- magician, seer, prophet.
:lol: Fictional and living in the past.

Kim -- kin bold brave king. Obey wizard.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by bobevenson » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:28 pm

Obvious Leo wrote:Merlin. A fictional character from Arthurian mythology.
Merlin -- magician, seer, prophet, begs the question, am I a prophet, or a magician, am I divinely inspired, or an illusionist. I believe the totality of my prophetic credentials answers the question.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Arising_uk » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:37 pm

bobevenson wrote:... I believe the totality of my prophetic credentials answers the question.[/size][/b]
Talking about questions,
bobevenson wrote:Theist, agnostic, atheist. As Bob the Baptist, I can tell you that the first and third are fools, and absolute fools at that.
bobevenson wrote:Anybody who isn't an agnostic is a fool.
So are those agnostic credentials bob or the credentials of an absolute fool?

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Obvious Leo » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:43 pm

Your incorrect use of the term "begs the question" is typical of your tortured syntax, Bob. I suggest that some remedial classes in English language usage might do much to enhance your prophetic credentials. After all, you wouldn't want your followers to leap to the conclusion that you're just another illiterate shithead, would you?

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by bobevenson » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:01 pm

Obvious Leo wrote:Your incorrect use of the term "begs the question" is typical of your tortured syntax, Bob. I suggest that some remedial classes in English language usage might do much to enhance your prophetic credentials. After all, you wouldn't want your followers to leap to the conclusion that you're just another illiterate shithead, would you?
I realize I was not using the phrase "begs the question" in the correct logical definition pertaining to circular reasoning, but since the hoi polloi generally use the phrase to mean "raises the question," I elected to patronize you.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by Dontaskme » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:50 am

'' Man is born without a religion and he obtains the religion that exists in the family. Religion is, therefore, more familial than real. Life is energy and energy alone. Energy has no religion, yet man has a religion: how real could it be? Words and meanings are an auditory illusion of sound and so every religion is illusory rather than real. Religion has driven man away from God rather than bringing him to God, and this is exactly what it is meant to do so that religion and philosophy may exist. If men were made to realise that only God exists and not man, religion would collapse.

Religion is just knowledge about God in a particular language. Knowledge is dead because it is in the mind as memory. Since the mind is in the past, religion too is in the past. The mind is not in life, which is the timeless ‘now’, and this means that religion is not in life but in the mind. The mind requires time to exist and science has proved that time does not exist as a physical entity in life. The smallest unit of time measured is ‘atto second’, which is one billionth of a billionth of a second. Life’s occurrences, however, happen in units of time much smaller than an atto second, which is the timeless ‘now’. Religion really means to be united with self. It has not really achieved this but, in fact, has created disunity between humans. This is life’s intelligence to maintain its illusory nature so that man may understand the real meaning of religion.

Every religious man defends vigorously that his God is the only one. Now, God is not a matter of yours or mine. God is simply God. Scientifically, God is synonymous with energy, light or just intelligence. God is a philosophical word, but very intelligent nevertheless. The world is varied and so are religion, philosophy and even God. Life merely demonstrates that if anything and everything is varied, even God is varied, and this is why God is who He is imagined to be. Therefore, it is inevitable that God will appear differently in some religions and as many in others. Life also demonstrates that God is nobody or nothing, but also anything and everything. This is evident in some religions in which He is revered as being formless, which is true, and in others as having forms made of any kind of matter: food to indicate taste, incenses to indicate smell, bells to indicate sound and fire to indicate light, which are also true.

It is difficult to determine whose God is real and is the first and only one. Every religion defends that their God fits that bill. If any one of the Gods that appeared after the first was real, He would have been the one who would have created the first religion and maintained it until the present day. If the first religion was false, He would have destroyed it, and the reason it cannot be destroyed is because life is energy and energy cannot be destroyed or created. This is proof that God too is energy and anything and everything is merely a reflection of this energy, which appears in the morning and disappears in the night, including religion and philosophy.

The world is a manifestation of God or energy and not a creation. No man could have seen the creation to vouch for it, but surely he can understand that the world is and has be a reflection, since it is energy. Therefore, the world and God included has to be peaceful and harmonious. The mind of man is not peaceful, and this restlessness is an auditory illusion of sound, as only light and sound exists in life and not words and meanings. Man merely makes sounds, which appear as language in the mind. Words and meanings cannot exist in life, as time is absent in life.

Man or messenger of God, who has a mind, will always be restless because of duality, which is the hallmark of the mind, and to wish him peace will only be wishful thinking. A true messenger of God, if at all there is one, is an enlightened being, for he lives and realises that the mind is illusory, so too every religion and philosophy. An enlightened being is always at peace with himself and the world, without knowing that he is. Peace is his nature for it is the nature of nature, and an enlightened being realises that man is part and parcel of nature and not separated from it. There would be no need to wish him or her peace, for he is peace itself.

Peace is the nature of the world, and it has to be if it is energy, no matter in what state it is. So there would no point in fearing it or God. Fear, if observed, is non-existent in the timeless ‘now’. It is always in the mind and, therefore, has to be illusory as is any word. In fear man can never reach God; he would be rotating in his mind hoping to reach God. Fear has been employed by the religious to bring man to God – how ironical. It is ironical that it is the religious who keep man away from God with a promise of bringing him to God. Only God is and man is merely a reflection of God.

Philosophy came much later than religion. It was the product of a sophisticated mind. It made its appearance once life expressed logic and reasoning. Philosophy is similar to religion in that there are as many philosophies as there are languages, either rudimentary or sophisticated. If wisdom was real, and it needs to be real if it is wisdom, there would be just one system of philosophy and not such divergence as there is found to be.

Many philosophies are needed so that a concept of philosophy may exist. The scenario is the same as with religion. Man would not remember philosophy if there were just one. A contrast provided by a particular philosophy is needed for the existence of another. Hence, philosophy means the love of thinking and not the love of wisdom, as is thought. Every man is a philosopher for thinking happens to him. A true philosopher is he who realises that thinking happens to him and man does not think. He realises that an action or an experience can exist only in time, and time does not exist in life. He realises that the mind would be needed to recognise an action or an experience in life, and mind, like time, does not exist in life.

A true philosopher is he who realises that the world, man and mind are a continuous and spontaneous transformation-process of energy which is uncontrollable and unpredictable. He realises that life is timeless and thoughtless and a manifestation of light and sound, and the experienced world and the experience itself is a world of thoughts – religion and philosophy included. A truly religious man is he who realises that everything is an expression of God the almighty – religion and philosophy included.''

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by thedoc » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:40 pm

bobevenson wrote: I believe the totality of my prophetic credentials answers the question.
You have no valid credentials, and there have been no questions.

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Re: "The Varieties of Religious Experience"

Post by thedoc » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:41 pm

Obvious Leo wrote: After all, you wouldn't want your followers to leap to the conclusion that you're just another illiterate shithead, would you?
Too late.

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