The Hypocrisy of the Pope

[duszek]

How about if someone argued:

On the one hand you complain about overpopulation and filth and on the other hand you are against euthanasia applied to unproductive people like those in mental hospitals, in old age homes and those who always depend on welfare checks.

Would he or she be a hypocrite ?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

How about if someone argued:

On the one hand you complain about overpopulation and filth and on the other hand you are against euthanasia applied to unproductive people like those in mental hospitals, in old age homes and those who always depend on welfare checks.

Would he or she be a hypocrite ?

I haven't heard anyone say there should be euthanasia for supposedly 'unproductive' people. Voluntary euthanasia for those who want it is a different matter altogether. One is making a decision for others (playing 'god' in fact), the other is making a decision for yourself, concerning your own body.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Sure I did. Contraception being a sin is church teaching. Has been for pretty much as far back as the Church goes. You want to know how the Church arrives at this teaching, go read church teachings. Not all that hard. Wikipedia would do in a pinch. Or, you could just Google it.

EDIT: With respect to overpopulation, just change "sin" in the lmgtfy to "overpopulation" and then look for a Catholic source. There's an article by a prof at Duke that gets at the teachings, iirc (not that he's RCC, but I seem to recall him giving a pretty fair summary of church teaching on the subject).

You know exactly what he meant. Where does it say in the babble that you shouldn't use condoms?

[Riemersma]

As the Vatican and many RC theologians have known for decades that the christian creed is mythology and Jezus used a metophor when he assented to being 'Son of God' Pope Francis' claim to being the representative of Christ/God on earth is false: Christ is a symbol too, the symbol of the Self.
'The Self of Man is the Self of God. That art Thou' is an article of the Hindu creed. Psychology has defined this Self of Man as follows: 'The self is a deep, inner, guiding factor, which can seem to be quite different, even alien, from the ego and consciousness. 'The self is not only the centre, but also the whole circumference which embraces both conscious and unconscious; it is the centre of this totality, just as the ego is the centre of consciousness' (1936b, p.41) ' (Personality and Personal Growth (6th ed.) Frager,R.,& Fadiman,J.)
As is known from the writings of mystics religious experiences are the result of profound self knowledge and that is because the 'centre of this totality' is God and that is why Jezus used the metaphor: 'Son of God' and that is why people nowadays have exactly the same experiences as Jezus: each of us is 'Son' or (even worse !) 'Daughter' of God.
There are no differences in the religious experiences of the founders of the world religions, there are only differences in interpretation and interpretation is dependent on the available knowledge and now we do know more than all those centuries ago.
These insights might lead to an end of religious conflict, if only for once in the long history of the RCC a pope could find the charity and the faith to speak the truth.

[ReliStuPhD]

You know exactly what he meant.

No, but it appears you do. I took him to be asking where the Pope gets his position on contraception. The answer is simple: church teaching (as in, "he's not just making this up on the spot"). Attofishpi doesn't strike me as the type of person to ask for answers he can easily Google...

Where does it say in the babble that you shouldn't use condoms?

...you, however, do.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You know exactly what he meant.

No, but it appears you do. I took him to be asking where the Pope gets his position on contraception. The answer is simple: church teaching (as in, "he's not just making this up on the spot"). Attofishpi doesn't strike me as the type of person to ask for answers he can easily Google...

Where does it say in the babble that you shouldn't use condoms?

...you, however, do.

Typical disingenuous religious 'answer'.

[ReliStuPhD]

Typical disingenuous religious 'answer'.

Right, because telling you to use Google and go read the primary sources is totally a "religious" answer. Since when did atheists become so lazy?

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Typical disingenuous religious 'answer'.

Right, because telling you to use Google and go read the primary sources is totally a "religious" answer. Since when did atheists become so lazy?

I don't need to google it. I am sure I won't find any mention of condoms in the babble. I thought perhaps you had some superior knowledge, being a 'student of religion' and all.

[ReliStuPhD]

I don't need to google it. I am sure I won't find any mention of condoms in the babble. I thought perhaps you had some superior knowledge, being a 'student of religion' and all.

Then by all means, live with what you're sure of. The answer, however, is there should you ever decide to see if you have good grounds to be sure of answers you've not looked into.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

I don't need to google it. I am sure I won't find any mention of condoms in the babble. I thought perhaps you had some superior knowledge, being a 'student of religion' and all.

Then by all means, live with what you're sure of. The answer, however, is there should you ever decide to see if you have good grounds to be sure of answers you've not looked into.

And you are a PhD student? What a surprise. Where does it mention contraception in the babble? You are the one who has dedicated his life to studying it. Surely you would know. What a waste of time. Religious 'scholars' are just big bags of self-important hot air. I would rather listen to a Ted Haggard sermon. At least it's good for a laugh.

[ReliStuPhD]

Like I said, the answers are there if you want to look for them. The RCC has laid it out clearly. You've got the Google link to get you started.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Like I said, the answers are there if you want to look for them. The RCC has laid it out clearly. You've got the Google link to get you started.

I don't give a fuck what the RCC says about it, the original question was where does the RCC get it from. You are supposedly the 'religious scholar'.

[Skip]

None of it is in the Bible. Paul thought women should be sacred vessels and sex should be for reproduction, not recreation. He wrote a bunch of letters telling people what they should feel and think - and he was the boss. His legacy is sex tourism with all the misery it causes and an incredibly bloated porn industry.

[ReliStuPhD]

Like I said, the answers are there if you want to look for them. The RCC has laid it out clearly. You've got the Google link to get you started.

I don't give a fuck what the RCC says about it, the original question was where does the RCC get it from. You are supposedly the 'religious scholar'.

Nope. The question I answered was where the Pope got his ideas about contraception and overpopulation from ("...where is he getting this idea..."). As I said, it's from over a millennium of robust church teaching on the topic (teaching I don't agree with, but that wasn't the question). If you're too lazy to do some Googling to read up on those church teachings—teachings that clearly explain where the ideas come from, by the way—don't expect me to do it for you. This has nothing to do with my being a religion scholar and everything to do with me not doing someone else's high school-level research for them. I don't do it for the freshman I teach, and I'm not going to do it for you. I have far more important uses of my time than summarizing information that's freely available online. You have the tools, so use them. Be the good atheist who values being informed over the one who prefers to swim in ignorance.

Since the question was from Atto, I'll wait for him to respond if he has any questions. You're just spilling pixels over a question you could have answered by now.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Like I said, the answers are there if you want to look for them. The RCC has laid it out clearly. You've got the Google link to get you started.

I don't give a fuck what the RCC says about it, the original question was where does the RCC get it from. You are supposedly the 'religious scholar'.

Nope. The question I answered was where the Pope got his ideas about contraception and overpopulation from ("...where is he getting this idea..."). As I said, it's from over a millennium of robust church teaching on the topic (teaching I don't agree with, but that wasn't the question). If you're too lazy to do some Googling to read up on those church teachings—teachings that clearly explain where the ideas come from, by the way—don't expect me to do it for you. This has nothing to do with my being a religion scholar and everything to do with me not doing someone else's high school-level research for them. I don't do it for the freshman I teach, and I'm not going to do it for you. I have far more important uses of my time than summarizing information that's freely available online. You have the tools, so use them. Be the good atheist who values being informed over the one who prefers to swim in ignorance.

Since the question was from Atto, I'll wait for him to respond if he has any questions. You're just spilling pixels over a question you could have answered by now.

Sorry you've wasted your life and all your student loans on bullshit.