beond belief

[jackles]

Critisism within belief is acceptable and even to be welcomed.but how ever critisism from beond belief is the enemy of belief in any terms.who is not for belief is automaticaly against it.its a question of good will.good will without god is conditional good will.what do you think.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Critisism within beilief is acceptable and even to be welcomed.but how ever critisism from beond belief is the enemy of belief in any terms.who is not for belief is automaticaly against it.its a question of good will.good will without god is conditional good will.what do you think.

I really think you need to attend to the issues of grammar, punctuation and spelling.

[jackles]

Ok hobbs i know its not the best.but at least it gets beond the bollocks as is put it.

[bobevenson]

Ok hobbs i know its not the best.but at least it gets beond the bollocks as is put it.

Please refrain from using vulgar British terms:
Word Origin & History
bollocks
"testicles," 1744, see bollix. In British slang, as an ejaculation meaning "nonsense," recorded from 1919.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

[thedoc]

Ok hobbs i know its not the best.but at least it gets beond the bollocks as is put it.

Please refrain from using vulgar British terms:
Word Origin & History
bollocks
"testicles," 1744, see bollix. In British slang, as an ejaculation meaning "nonsense," recorded from 1919.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

How about vulgar American terms, as in "Go Fuck yourself."

So far all anyone has done is criticize Spelling, punctuation and vocabulary. Are you too dim to address the OP.

Jackies, If I understand you correctly you are just saying that someone who is in a particular belief system is in a better position to criticize it. They would have a better understanding of it. Someone outside of that particular belief system would know less about it and not have the understanding of it. simply put a Christian is in a better position to criticize Christianity than an Athest.

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.

[bobevenson]

Ok hobbs i know its not the best.but at least it gets beond the bollocks as is put it.

Please refrain from using vulgar British terms:
Word Origin & History
bollocks
"testicles," 1744, see bollix. In British slang, as an ejaculation meaning "nonsense," recorded from 1919.
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

How about vulgar American terms, as in "Go Fuck yourself."

So far all anyone has done is criticize Spelling, punctuation and vocabulary. Are you too dim to address the OP.

Jackies, If I understand you correctly you are just saying that someone who is in a particular belief system is in a better position to criticize it. They would have a better understanding of it. Someone outside of that particular belief system would know less about it and not have the understanding of it. simply put a Christian is in a better position to criticize Christianity than an Athest.

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.

No, "Go fuck yourself" is obscene, while "bollocks" is merely vulgar, and British at that. Also, I might add to please refrain from using acronyms like OP unless everybody knows what you mean.

[Arising_uk]

Critisism within belief is acceptable and even to be welcomed.but how ever critisism from beond belief is the enemy of belief in any terms.who is not for belief is automaticaly against it.its a question of good will.good will without god is conditional good will.what do you think.

I really think it's lazy not to use a spell-checker in this day and age and if you have it a grammar checker.

I think you mean faith not belief.

[thedoc]

How about vulgar American terms, as in "Go Fuck yourself."

So far all anyone has done is criticize Spelling, punctuation and vocabulary. Are you too dim to address the OP.

Jackies, If I understand you correctly you are just saying that someone who is in a particular belief system is in a better position to criticize it. They would have a better understanding of it. Someone outside of that particular belief system would know less about it and not have the understanding of it. simply put a Christian is in a better position to criticize Christianity than an Atheist.

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.

No, "Go fuck yourself" is obscene, while "bollocks" is merely vulgar, and British at that. Also, I might add to please refrain from using acronyms like OP unless everybody knows what you mean.

You still didn't address the question posed in the OP. Are you incapable, or are you simply outside of any belief system?

Also I would think that if something is obscene it might also be vulgar.

[bobevenson]

How about vulgar American terms, as in "Go Fuck yourself."

So far all anyone has done is criticize Spelling, punctuation and vocabulary. Are you too dim to address the OP.

Jackies, If I understand you correctly you are just saying that someone who is in a particular belief system is in a better position to criticize it. They would have a better understanding of it. Someone outside of that particular belief system would know less about it and not have the understanding of it. simply put a Christian is in a better position to criticize Christianity than an Atheist.

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.

No, "Go fuck yourself" is obscene, while "bollocks" is merely vulgar, and British at that. Also, I might add to please refrain from using acronyms like OP unless everybody knows what you mean.

You still didn't address the question posed in the OP. Are you incapable, or are you simply outside of any belief system?

Also I would think that if something is obscene it might also be vulgar.

What the hell is an OP?

[Ginkgo]

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.

Kant would disagree with that.

[thedoc]

OP, - duh, - 'Original Post'.

[Ginkgo]

OP, - duh, - 'Original Post'.

I'm not exactly sure what Jackles is saying. You interpretation might be correct.

P.S.

I think I get the bit whereby jackles is saying there is nothing wholly good within and of itself except without a reference to God.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Ok hobbs i know its not the best.but at least it gets beond the bollocks as is put it.

Did you mean "Okay Hobbes I know it's not the best, but at least it gets beyond the bollocks as... (What?)..

Even though you edited the top of the thread is still does not make sense!

Sentence one is okay. "Critisism within belief is acceptable and even to be welcomed."

But what does the following mean?

but how ever critisism from beond belief is the enemy of belief in any terms.who is not for belief is automaticaly against it.its a question of good will.good will without god is conditional good will.what do you think.


Let's see if I can unpack it.

But however criticism, from beyond belief is the enemy of belief, in any terms; who is not for belief is automatically against it.
This is just a tautology.
It's a question of good will.
There is no question stated. What is a question of good will?
Good will without God is conditional good will.
I have no idea what you are getting at here. Surely Good with God, is conditional on God.
What do you think.
I think You know what I think.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.

Kant would disagree with that.

No he would not.
God plays very little part in what Kant says. But what he does say is that human have a conditional and subjective understanding of reality.

[MMasz]

[quote="thedoc”]
Jackies, If I understand you correctly you are just saying that someone who is in a particular belief system is in a better position to criticize it. They would have a better understanding of it. Someone outside of that particular belief system would know less about it and not have the understanding of it. simply put a Christian is in a better position to criticize Christianity than an Athest.

Good will, or ethics, outside the dictates of God, are conditional or situational, only God can hand down absolute statements.[/quote]

I think you are correct about jackles' question in the first part. And yes, I would agree with that. As a Christian, I occasionally have to deal with “tolerant” atheists’ rants about some issue or another which usually turns out to be a straw man argument based on low/mis information.

The second part about good will is another issue we’re going to be discussing with my students in their philosophy class. Are there any “objective" ethics and if so, how many before social, cultural and personal systems limit them.