Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:14 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:10 am
But anyway, yes it is this invisible part of the 'human being', which 'i' say does keep on living as that 'person' has had an influence on other invisible people, as well as on the visible physical world too. Every 'person's' existence continues to have an influence in one way or another on 'the world'. Some more so than others, and this is part of what the story of 'jesus' is, literally, about. Again, some people have more of an influence than others, for example, some people are more influenced, or know more about, that one person known as "jesus christ" than they do of their own grandmother and/or grandfather. But again the story of and about the 'person' "jesus christ" has come 'through', and has been 'passed on' from, grandparents or previously 'related persons' or 'acquaintances', anyway.
But some of what we think we know about Jesus is bound to be incorrect.
I would NEVER disagree with this.
But, and as you just put 'it' here, as long as we RECOGNIZE that we ONLY 'think 'we know', and therefore are ADMITTING that 'we are ONLY ASSUMING, and that REALLY we do NOT actually know', then all is well and good.
It is when people profess TO KNOW, when, REALLY, they do NOT YET have thee ACTUAL PROOF, when things become UNRAVELED, and NOT REVEALED.
Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:14 am
There will inevitably be some historic figures of whom almost everything we think we know will be incorrect.
WHY do you think or BELIEVE 'almost everything'?
Obviously, if one can NOT know, for sure, about what they 'think they know', then there is NO WAY of KNOWING if that what 'they think they know' is correct or not correct, correct?
Also, 'correctness' was NEVER a point I was making. The 'point' was that the 'invisible thoughts' from within one human body, which could be what the word 'soul' was actually once referring to, DO get 'passed on' and 'into' other human bodies. So, in a sense, those 'invisible things' that were once within one human body is STILL HERE, alive or existing, in this Universe, WITHIN other human bodies.
So, this is 'what' and 'where' the 'soul' IS, EXACTLY, to 'me', which was what was being asked for, for clarification, if I recall correctly.
As for 'correctness' or 'incorrectness' of the 'thoughts' and 'thinking' within human body, then was NOT be questioned, if I recall correctly, and was NEVER ANY thing I was making a 'point' about here, again, without reading back, and IF I recall correctly.
As for the accuracy and/or correctness of 'thoughts' being 'passed on', then the FAILING of this can be demonstrated VERY EASILY and SIMPLY, and VERY ACCURATELY through the game of what is called 'chinese whispers', or the 'telephone game'.
The accuracy or correctness of 'passing on' the 'thoughts' or 'thinking' from 'one' to "another" in just a few minutes or seconds is FALLIBLE, let alone through generation after generation. So, what REALLY happened, in the days when a relatively more or better known person called "jesus christ" was living, 'we', in the days when this was being written, and after, will REALLY NEVER KNOW, for sure.
Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:14 am
And what about figures who never existed but some people think did exist, like Robin Hood, for example?
Was the 'story' about "robin hood" about, or in reference, to "another" human being or acted or behaved in a way similar?
Could the 'story' about "jesus christ" actually be about some "other person" with some "other name" who behaved or acted in 'that way'? In fact could it be that there REALLY was NO 'person' AT ALL like 'that', and that 'story' is about A 'figure' who NEVER existed ALSO, like one called "robin hood"? Or, could there have ACTUALLY been a human being with the name and label "robin hood"?
How would 'we', who have NOT had DIRECT EXPERIENCE EVER REALLY KNOW what thee ACTUAL and IRREFUTABLE Truth IS, EXACTLY?
The answer is, quite OBVIOUSLY, 'we' NEVER COULD.
So, if 'we' just express the 'things' that 'we' are REALLY NOT SURE about as; JUST "THAT". That is; for example, 'I am NOT sure, but ....', then there will be NO issue AT ALL, and conversely, if 'we' express the 'things' that 'we' are REALLY ARE SURE about as; JUST 'THAT'. That is; for example, 'I am SURE that ...', and HAVE the ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE PROOF, BEFORE 'we' make the CLAIM, then there will be NO issue AT ALL, EITHER.
Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:14 am
I'm not saying this invalidates your idea of the soul and how it continues on after physical death, but it seems to muddy the water a bit.
Hopefully, I have just already cleared the 'waters' here a bit.
Harbal wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 11:14 am
Also, I agree that our thoughts will leave a lasting impression on the world in as much as the world will be altered to some extent because of them, but the same could be said of a loose boulder rolling down a mountain side. What would you say is the most significant distinction between those two instances?
None really.
If 'that boulder' has made a change, and thus an ever-lasting, visible, 'physical' 'effect' as well as an ever-lasting 'impression' on, 'invisible', 'thought', as 'it' obviously has had as 'we' are talking about this 'loose boulder rolling down a mountain side' now, through 'thought', itself, then there is NO real 'significant distinction'.
If, however, 'we' are talking about the EXACT SAME 'loose boulder', if 'that' REALLY happened, or if the 'accuracy' of 'it' is ABSOLUTE, then that is a whole OTHER matter.