Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:35 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:09 pm
'i' also apologize if 'i' go off track from what 'you' were actually asking for and seeking here.
Not at all; I appreciate the time and effort you've put into your explanation.
Just to help me understand:
Are you saying that, after a person has died, it is the influence that his existence continues to have on the world that you think of as his soul?
There is a smile on this body now, because what I wrote and 'explained' was COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD, COMPLETELY MISINTERPRETED, or just COMPLETELY MISSED.
A 'person' can NOT 'die'.
All, visible and physical, human bodies, eventually, STOP breathing and STOP pumping blood, at which and after is generally known as 'died'. BUT, to 'me', a 'human body' is NOT a 'person'. A 'person' is the invisible part WITHIN a 'human body', which, although 'born', can NOT 'die', in a sense.
But anyway, yes it is this invisible part of the 'human being', which 'i' say does keep on living as that 'person' has had an influence on other invisible people, as well as on the visible physical world too. Every 'person's' existence continues to have an influence in one way or another on 'the world'. Some more so than others, and this is part of what the story of 'jesus' is, literally, about. Again, some people have more of an influence than others, for example, some people are more influenced, or know more about, that one person known as "jesus christ" than they do of their own grandmother and/or grandfather. But again the story of and about the 'person' "jesus christ" has come 'through', and has been 'passed on' from, grandparents or previously 'related persons' or 'acquaintances', anyway.
Now, 'i' do NOT think of the influence of someone's existence is his nor her 'soul' but the 'person', itself, which is continuing to influence is what the word 'soul', itself, is referring to, exactly. That is; the word 'soul' was a word used to mean or refer to the invisible part of the 'human being', which continues living, lives on, or remains HERE lasting forever more. How a 'soul' could, and does, do this, I hopefully have, somewhat, partly explained above.
The 'soul' would be the invisible 'person', "them" 'self'. The influence from one's actual existence lasts forevermore, or in other words, lives on. The 'existence' of 'one'/'a person' is the 'soul' living on. To 'me', there is NO 'his' NOR 'her' existence. There is also NO 'their' existence, as though there is some 'thing', with its like separated existence. It is 'the existence', itself, of 'one'/'a person', which lives and carries on.
Harbal wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:35 pm
I know that is put very biefly and simply, but is it correct in principle. Or am I not getting it (as usual
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It is close.
A 'person', however, does not 'die'. BUT, in rethinking or in further thinking, if 'we' want to say or call a 'person' the invisible one, or part, that is continually forming, as new thoughts are continually forming, or 'arising', and which becomes 'consciously' more 'self'-aware, while the body is breathing/pumping blood/alive, then when the body 'stops', pumping blood and breathing, then that 'self', which was 'be-coming a more aware' 'being', also 'dies' but changes into and a 'soul', which is said to remain, then that could also work.
But, it is not 'his existence' nor 'his soul', because that 'one' is existing, or is in 'Existence', Itself. That 'one' is also 'the soul', itself, and does not 'have' 'a soul'.
'people' or 'souls' are 'existing', and thus do not 'have' 'existence', like 'existence' is something else.
By the way, NO one was ever expecting 'you' to get this, YET. But, considering 'you' are, by far, showing the MOST INTELLIGENCE here now, 'you' WILL get this BEFORE ANY one else does.