Is Jesus's teaching complete?

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bahman wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:14 pm
DPMartin wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 4:25 pm
bahman wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:51 pm If yes, why did God send Mohamad? If not, why don't Christians convert to Islam?
read some history and find out. any way muhammad the prophet of Islam's god, is not the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. muhammad found his god in the building they parade around in Mecca which was in muhammad's day a building full of idols. mecca used to be a cross roads for caravans and it provided for the different god's worship. some Muslims claim allah is the same god as the God of Abraham but in muhammad's day the christains and the jews rejected him as a prophet of their God. and muhammad instructed his followers to hate Jews and Christians. him and his band would attack and kill those who would not convert to islam. the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is the God of the living, but islam's allah is a god of death.
He acted according to what Allah asked. The God of Moses also was a killer. God of Christian also is God of death, look at natural disasters.
when Stalin starved out 10 mill, what god told him to do that, or chairman moa i do believe it was 40 mill, what god told him to do that? they were atheists, correct? or did they just go by their own judgement? leave something in the hands of man and you get death. man don't need a reason to have wrath in his heart, but he needs reason to justify it to those around him. because, man's judgements are death, and result in death.

granted Moses and Joshua were told to take a land given them that was promised to the children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, but you must understand that Israel spent 40 years going in circles in the desert after their God trashed Egypt the most powerful kingdom of its day which any nation would have known and heard of also at Jericho if my memory serves the Jews forewarned the city before they came and the river Jordon when they crossed backed up so as they could walk on dry land crossing the Jordon. if those people thought they could overcome the God of Israel after witnessing and hearing of such things they were stupid to stay. and after they acquired the land they were not aggressive to their neighboring nations unless attacked. the Christians started out passive accepting the rejection and hostile environment they were in, but when the roman emperor cut a deal to make Christianity the religion of the roman empire they were the church of the state hence political agendas and power struggles ensued at the expense of the gospel message.

but Muhammad came out the gate, kicking butt and taking names in the name of his god, just because they were not like him.

when Jesus healed a leper that was full of leprosy, normally He would stand the risk of getting it Himself. but in His case the power of Life went from Jesus to the leper to restore the life of the leper. not a Muhammad trick by any means, but getting people to slaughter anyone that wouldn't accept him or submit to him is noting more then any other conqueror would do, and most conquerors don't need in the name of some god to do so.
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DPMartin wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:25 pm
bahman wrote: Wed May 18, 2022 9:14 pm
DPMartin wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 4:25 pm

read some history and find out. any way muhammad the prophet of Islam's god, is not the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. muhammad found his god in the building they parade around in Mecca which was in muhammad's day a building full of idols. mecca used to be a cross roads for caravans and it provided for the different god's worship. some Muslims claim allah is the same god as the God of Abraham but in muhammad's day the christains and the jews rejected him as a prophet of their God. and muhammad instructed his followers to hate Jews and Christians. him and his band would attack and kill those who would not convert to islam. the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is the God of the living, but islam's allah is a god of death.
He acted according to what Allah asked. The God of Moses also was a killer. God of Christian also is God of death, look at natural disasters.
when Stalin starved out 10 mill, what god told him to do that, or chairman moa i do believe it was 40 mill, what god told him to do that? they were atheists, correct? or did they just go by their own judgement? leave something in the hands of man and you get death. man don't need a reason to have wrath in his heart, but he needs reason to justify it to those around him. because, man's judgements are death, and result in death.

granted Moses and Joshua were told to take a land given them that was promised to the children of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, but you must understand that Israel spent 40 years going in circles in the desert after their God trashed Egypt the most powerful kingdom of its day which any nation would have known and heard of also at Jericho if my memory serves the Jews forewarned the city before they came and the river Jordon when they crossed backed up so as they could walk on dry land crossing the Jordin. if those people thought they could overcome the God of Israel after witnessing and hearing of such things they were stupid to stay. and after they acquired the land they were not aggressive to their neighboring nations unless attached. the Christians started out passive accepting the rejection and hostile environment they were in, but when the roman emperor cut a deal to make Christianity the religion of the roman empire they were the church of the state hence political agendas ad power struggles ensued at the expense of the gospel message.

but Muhammad came out the gate, kicking butt and taking names in the name of his god, just because they were not like him.

when Jesus healed a leper that was full of leprosy, normally He would stand the risk of getting it Himself. but in His case the power of Life went from Jesus to the leper to restore the life of the leper. not a Muhammad trick by any means, but getting people to slaughter anyone that wouldn't accept him or submit to him is noting more then any other conqueror would do, and most conquerors don't need in the name of some god to do so.
Thanks for the explanation. But you didn't address the natural disaster.
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Age wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 2:06 am
DPMartin wrote: Tue May 17, 2022 4:25 pm
bahman wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:51 pm If yes, why did God send Mohamad? If not, why don't Christians convert to Islam?
read some history and find out. any way muhammad the prophet of Islam's god, is not the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob. muhammad found his god in the building they parade around in Mecca which was in muhammad's day a building full of idols. mecca used to be a cross roads for caravans and it provided for the different god's worship. some Muslims claim allah is the same god as the God of Abraham but in muhammad's day the christains and the jews rejected him as a prophet of their God. and muhammad instructed his followers to hate Jews and Christians. him and his band would attack and kill those who would not convert to islam. the God of Abraham and Jesus Christ is the God of the living, but islam's allah is a god of death.
Is this the One and ONLY true, right, AND correct INTERPRETATION?
read some history and find out
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bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:23 pm
Age wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 5:01 pm
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 2:06 pm
A lot of religions after Islam. Just google it.
You have, ONCE AGAIN, completely and utterly MISSED, and thus MISUNDERSTOOD, what was been talked about here.
Could you ask your question again?
Yes
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bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:24 pm
Age wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 5:04 pm
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 2:04 pm
TO think that killing is bad then think killing is good.
What has this for to do with what I said above, and which you are replying to, here?
What do you want?
At this very moment, for you to answer the ACTUAL clarifying question that I asked you.

What do you want?
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bahman wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:51 pm If yes, why did God send Mohamad? If not, why don't Christians convert to Islam?
No teachings in any of humanity's religions are complete.

All religions (and this includes materialism) are but mere puzzle pieces that each contain fragments of truth regarding the mystery of reality.

Furthermore, I suggest that Islam was introduced into the Abrahamic belief system as a sort of "corrective measure" to steer the stream of thought away from the Trinity nonsense and back into pure Monotheism.

The bottom line is that all religions are nothing more than "pacifying teats" for us worldlings to suckle on until our minds (souls/consciousnesses) are delivered (birthed) into "true reality" via the process of bodily death.

And that last bit leads me to offering an answer to your question to DPMartin regarding natural disasters...
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:29 pm He acted according to what Allah asked. The God of Moses also was a killer. God of Christian also is God of death, look at natural disasters.
...To which I suggest that you try to imagine the universe as being God's cosmic "womb" wherein God is able to "conceive" her own literal offspring (us).

In other words, God is "pregnant" with us.

In which case, you need to think of natural disasters as merely being one of the many ways of "breaking God's water," so to speak, so that, as mentioned earlier, our souls can be birthed into the higher dimension of "true reality" where God and our ultimate form (and eternal purpose) will finally be revealed to us.
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Age wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:02 am
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:23 pm
Age wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 5:01 pm

You have, ONCE AGAIN, completely and utterly MISSED, and thus MISUNDERSTOOD, what was been talked about here.
Could you ask your question again?
Yes
What is your question?
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Age wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:04 am
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:24 pm
Age wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 5:04 pm

What has this for to do with what I said above, and which you are replying to, here?
What do you want?
At this very moment, for you to answer the ACTUAL clarifying question that I asked you.

What do you want?
And what is your question?
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seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm
bahman wrote: Fri May 13, 2022 6:51 pm If yes, why did God send Mohamad? If not, why don't Christians convert to Islam?
No teachings in any of humanity's religions are complete.
Not according to Islam.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm All religions (and this includes materialism) are but mere puzzle pieces that each contain fragments of truth regarding the mystery of reality.
I don't think if any religion made such a claim.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm Furthermore, I suggest that Islam was introduced into the Abrahamic belief system as a sort of "corrective measure" to steer the stream of thought away from the Trinity nonsense and back into pure Monotheism.
Ok, so Islam is correcting Christianity at the same time violating the rule of Jewish.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm The bottom line is that all religions are nothing more than "pacifying teats" for us worldlings to suckle on until our minds (souls/consciousnesses) are delivered (birthed) into "true reality" via the process of bodily death.
Well, if you know which religion is correct because each of them asks to believe in only one true religion.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm And that last bit leads me to offering an answer to your question to DPMartin regarding natural disasters...
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:29 pm He acted according to what Allah asked. The God of Moses also was a killer. God of Christian also is God of death, look at natural disasters.
...To which I suggest that you try to imagine the universe as being God's cosmic "womb" wherein God is able to "conceive" her own literal offspring (us).

In other words, God is "pregnant" with us.

In which case, you need to think of natural disasters as merely being one of the many ways of "breaking God's water," so to speak, so that, as mentioned earlier, our souls can be birthed into the higher dimension of "true reality" where God and our ultimate form (and eternal purpose) will finally be revealed to us.
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Ok, how about those who suffer from natural disasters but they don't die?
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"when Jesus healed a leper that was full of leprosy"

And you really believe that happened? You do realize that you are implying that by a few words and simple physical contact with a leper, Jesus made lesions disappear and tissue disfigurations correct themselves.

Was this like immediately, like in a Steven Spielberg movie, or did the healing process take days? Gimme some details about the incident that you believe would describe what actually happened.

Seriously what are the chances that that didn't actually happen and is only part of a largely improvised storyline built from various fragments of writing.
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seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm No teachings in any of humanity's religions are complete.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Not according to Islam.
Yes. And also according to Islam, in the afterlife, many Muslim males will have an "eternal erection" that will allow them to rape 72 "perpetual" virgins that Allah (who, apparently, is some kind of "Cosmic Pimp") is going to supply them with...

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The point is that such ridiculous nonsense precludes the need to take seriously anything else that Islam proclaims.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm All religions (and this includes materialism) are but mere puzzle pieces that each contain fragments of truth regarding the mystery of reality.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm I don't think if any religion made such a claim.
Of course they don't.

However, those of us who function above and outside of the brainwashing hypnotic thrall that the world's religions hold over their adherents, can make such a claim.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm Furthermore, I suggest that Islam was introduced into the Abrahamic belief system as a sort of "corrective measure" to steer the stream of thought away from the Trinity nonsense and back into pure Monotheism.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Ok, so Islam is correcting Christianity at the same time violating the rule of Jewish.
In what way is Islam's steering the Abrahamic belief system away from the derailing Trinity nonsense and back onto the Monotheistic tracks that Judaism originally laid down, violating Judaism?
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm The bottom line is that all religions are nothing more than "pacifying teats" for us worldlings to suckle on until our minds (souls/consciousnesses) are delivered (birthed) into "true reality" via the process of bodily death.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Well, if you know which religion is correct because each of them asks to believe in only one true religion.
No religion is 100% correct.

Again, they are all just pacifying teats for God's "fetuses" to suckle on until the ultimate truth is revealed at the moment of death.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm [......] In other words, God is "pregnant" with us.

In which case, you need to think of natural disasters as merely being one of the many ways of "breaking God's water," so to speak, so that, as mentioned earlier, our souls can be birthed into the higher dimension of "true reality" where God and our ultimate form (and eternal purpose) will finally be revealed to us.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Ok, how about those who suffer from natural disasters but they don't die?
Our temporary "gestation period" within God's cosmic womb (the universe) is filled with all manner of uncomfortable situations that will no longer be in play once we are born into our ultimate and eternal form (the same form as God, btw).
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seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 6:52 pm
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm No teachings in any of humanity's religions are complete.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Not according to Islam.
Yes. And also according to Islam, in the afterlife, many Muslim males will have an "eternal erection" that will allow them to rape 72 "perpetual" virgins that Allah (who, apparently, is some kind of "Cosmic Pimp") is going to supply them with...

Image

The point is that such ridiculous nonsense precludes the need to take seriously anything else that Islam proclaims.
Who am I to complain if God wants that Muslims have sex eternally!?
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 6:52 pm
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm All religions (and this includes materialism) are but mere puzzle pieces that each contain fragments of truth regarding the mystery of reality.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm I don't think if any religion made such a claim.
Of course they don't.

However, those of us who function above and outside of the brainwashing hypnotic thrall that the world's religions hold over their adherents, can make such a claim.
Ok, be happy with your puzzle.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 6:52 pm
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm Furthermore, I suggest that Islam was introduced into the Abrahamic belief system as a sort of "corrective measure" to steer the stream of thought away from the Trinity nonsense and back into pure Monotheism.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Ok, so Islam is correcting Christianity at the same time violating the rule of Jewish.
In what way is Islam's steering the Abrahamic belief system away from the derailing Trinity nonsense and back onto the Monotheistic tracks that Judaism originally laid down, violating Judaism?
One of the Commandments: You shall not kill.
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 6:52 pm
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm The bottom line is that all religions are nothing more than "pacifying teats" for us worldlings to suckle on until our minds (souls/consciousnesses) are delivered (birthed) into "true reality" via the process of bodily death.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Well, if you know which religion is correct because each of them asks to believe in only one true religion.
No religion is 100% correct.
Why not? Isn't GOd all powerful?

seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm
seeds wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:41 pm [......] In other words, God is "pregnant" with us.

In which case, you need to think of natural disasters as merely being one of the many ways of "breaking God's water," so to speak, so that, as mentioned earlier, our souls can be birthed into the higher dimension of "true reality" where God and our ultimate form (and eternal purpose) will finally be revealed to us.
bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 4:02 pm Ok, how about those who suffer from natural disasters but they don't die?
Our temporary "gestation period" within God's cosmic womb (the universe) is filled with all manner of uncomfortable situations that will no longer be in play once we are born into our ultimate and eternal form (the same form as God, btw).
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"And also according to Islam, in the afterlife, many Muslim males will have an "eternal erection" that will allow them to rape 72 "perpetual" virgins that Allah (who, apparently, is some kind of "Cosmic Pimp") is going to supply them with..."

In fact, only in islam do we see the first occasion of transcendental sex trafficking. No other religion provides such a service, and most condemn it.
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bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 3:51 pm
Age wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:02 am
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:23 pm
Could you ask your question again?
Yes
What is your question?
What are they then?
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bahman wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 3:52 pm
Age wrote: Fri May 20, 2022 2:04 am
bahman wrote: Thu May 19, 2022 6:24 pm
What do you want?
At this very moment, for you to answer the ACTUAL clarifying question that I asked you.

What do you want?
And what is your question?
What are they then?

And, what do you want?
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