You are not making any sort of case.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:06 amMy point here it, it is a net-positive for theists to theists at the present circumstances when there is no fool-proof alternative to deal with the existential crisis.Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:07 pmI disagree entirely.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:11 am
It is a net-positive for theists in the benefits they gain from religion over the subliminal terror of the existential crisis.
Theistic religions are like a just-good-enough-branch for the believer to cling on to keep the near-drowning-man from being drowned in the middle of a sea.
Atheists have more fun.
And die without worry.
What "crisis"? Exactly?
Religion has declined in the last 100 years. This means that we don't have some black robed git to tell us what to do, where and how we can live, who to sleep with, and who not to. And if being in control of your life were not enough, they insist on being in control of your death too.
How can you generalize 'atheists have more fun' when you don't have the stats?
Note the fallacy of hasty generalization.
Islam is still in the grip of the Imam. They will soon follow suit and become as secular as christendom.
You've only to look at Catholicism where the black robed devils still hold sway over the lives of their sheep. When they are not buggering the children they are dishing out shame and damnation.
That is more like a silly argument.Now you are just being silly.
You provided no sound argument.
I stated 'likely'.Drug abuse is not attributable to a lack of religion.I stated those without religions including those who are not seriously devoted to their religions are likely to turn to drugs [painkillers, cocaine, heroin, etc.] to deal with the inevitable subtle pains from the innate, inherent and unavoidable existential crisis.
This is just part of your dream world-view
Non-theists has nothing to hold them back when there is an impulse to cling to drugs to relieve their existential Angst.
Not ALL but the majority of theists who are zealous would fear committing a sin if they were to take drugs and end up with punishment from their God.
Those who are drug addicts could be Christians but they are not the zealous ones. Many Christians are born into a Christian family and are not born again Christians and are not serious with Christianity.Most of them believe in godNote:
- Prescription painkiller abuse is on the rise in the United States. In 2007, 2.5 million people in the United States tried abusing prescription painkillers for the first time. That same year, 2.1 million used marijuana for the first time.
What?? no evidence?You have not offered a scrap of evidenceIn 2007, the non-medical use of prescription painkillers rose to 12%, with one in every ten high school students admitting to using prescription painkillers for non-medical purposes. Frighteningly, individuals in the US who abuse prescription painkillers are 19 times more likely than others in the same age bracket to begin abusing heroin.
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From the abuse of over the counter pain-killer, this has lead to stronger and stronger pain-killers, i.e. the opioids like fentanyl;
The above abuse is not from dealing with a headache, but they feel something uncomfortable which they cannot trace specifically to the source -its something like a psyche pain - and the taking of pain-killers soothe those subliminal pains.
- Ten-Fold Rise in Deaths from Fentanyl, Other Synthetic Opioids
US deaths from synthetic opioids, especially fentanyl, rose more than 10-fold in 5 years, new research shows.
A report from the Rand Corporation, a research and analysis nonprofit organization that consults on public policy worldwide, notes that deaths in the United States involving synthetic opioids increased from approximately 3000 in 2013 to more than 30,000 in 2018. In addition, this type of drug is now involved in twice as many deaths as heroin.
I suggest you research the rise in the abuse of pain killers and other drugs and note what are the root cause that drive its addiction. The answer is the inherent existential crisis.
Everytime you accused me of talking nonsense is because you are ignorant of the related knowledge.
Note the links I provided above which you need not critique at all.
They are not the full evidence but the clues to what I am pointing out.
It is not practical for me to compile and provide the full evidence in this forum.
If you are well read and informed the above clues support the tons of evidence out there.
That is not my point.There are 1.8 Billion Muslims. Use your brain please.
You have a confused view point and want to attribute any bad thing you can think of to a lack of religion.
I stated in the present circumstances and psychological state, religions are a critical necessity to the majority of people.
The belief in a religion is a net-positive contribution to the individual believer at present.
Note my emphasis on the present state [till the next 75 years], not the future.
However there exists a religion, i.e. whose ideology is inherently malignant, evil and violent which catalyze a large percentile of the 1.8 billion Muslims who are evil prone to commit terrible evil and violent acts. [this is very evident].
In this case, the ideology is a threat to humanity and must be weaned off as soon as possible.
To resolve this issue of Islamic driven evil and violent, it is very rational to replace this evil ideology with a religion with a '100%' pacifist ideology.
The most likely pacifist religion for ex-Muslims to move to is Christianity-proper and some can move to other pacifist religion.
Christianity is an effective replacement for Islam but only at present [till 75 years]. Because Christianity itself has its cons and not fool proof, humanity must strive to seek and establish fool proof alternatives to religion to deal with the inherent existential crisis.
I hope you could provide rational counter to the above instead of merely brushing them off.