Experiment to show your state of delusion

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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
What if you are the one who is deluded Roy. And those you so confidently claim to be in a deep state of delusion is just your own deluded thinking?

What if there is no such state as ''thoughtfree'' awareness as you so confidently claim to be the 'Natural State'. What if you are wrong?



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What if the 'Natural State' is more along the lines of ......

It’s about unconditional friendliness and infinite kindness to yourself. It’s about making it safe, finally safe for all of those unloved, un-met, unseen waves of the ocean of yourself to crawl out of the depths, out of the darkness, out of the corners and holes and crevices of experience and come into the light, blinking and full of wonder..

It’s about giving birth to yourself, so that all thoughts are finally allowed to flood in, all sensations, all feelings, all sounds, all those waves that we used to label ‘dark’, or ‘evil’, or ‘negative’, or ‘dangerous’, or ‘sinful’ – fear, anger, boredom, doubt, confusion, frustration, helplessness… are finally allowed to come to rest, to breathe, to be fully themselves in the space that you are.
They are not separate entities or enemies, they are intimate appearances of you, and so they cannot hurt you, even if they hurt, and this is what we forget sometimes in our rush to ‘fix’ or at least ‘normalise’ ourselves.

Yes, all of those swirling, pulsating energies of that which we call ‘life’ are welcome in the unlimited room that you are, the vast Living Room in which all of creation sings and dances and paints itself into the ever-changing picture of this extraordinary moment…


Always be yourself, everyone else is taken. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU. :shock:
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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The way I look at it DAM, is that until that first stage of awakening you don’t have a stable enough self to start welcoming all of those parts of yourself which were formerly pushed away.

It’s like a honeymoon period, where you are shown how your being could be if you would just do all that shadow work.

But the honeymoon wears off. If you could be in that safe place forever ti would be great, but it is not reality because to that stage of reality, everything is like a dream. Nothing seems real but the self. And then, the light and clarity slowly fade until you are left as nothing, with a whole pile of shit to clean up, that is you.
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Dimebag, just because at some point along the aging process, we make the discovery that this immediate living presence is Who I Am, does not make me a big blob of nothingness without distinctions. Or that there is place to 'get to' that is without distinction, is thoughtfree, blissful and happy..

The very idea is nonsensical spiritual gaslighting. Especially when telling other people they are just not ''getting it'' as if there was something they were missing out on, and that until this is ''GOT'' then every non-seeker of truth, will remain forever stuck in a state of irrational unhappiness and delusion, manipulated by some information so as to make the person question their own reality.

Even the "non-dual" dogma is stuck in a certain lingo and a box of it's own, which I myself have been guilty of speaking.

The spiritual search is comparable to a 'ritual inquiry' into the true self, and is believed to be a practice that points the self to a place where there is no self and they think are supposed to lose themself some how and merge at that point with the empty void of nothing...then they hate themselves because they are not 'getting it' until they become that empty void of nothing without labels, without thoughts, without names, without words, without self and without form.

I say that it's mis-leading and it's Nonsense.

The comment down below is a more accurate account of the truth of self, IMHO

It’s about unconditional friendliness and infinite kindness to yourself. It’s about making it safe, finally safe for all of those unloved, un-met, unseen waves of the ocean of yourself to crawl out of the depths, out of the darkness, out of the corners and holes and crevices of experience and come into the light, blinking and full of wonder..

It’s about giving birth to yourself, so that all thoughts are finally allowed to flood in, all sensations, all feelings, all sounds, all those waves that we used to label ‘dark’, or ‘evil’, or ‘negative’, or ‘dangerous’, or ‘sinful’ – fear, anger, boredom, doubt, confusion, frustration, helplessness… are finally allowed to come to rest, to breathe, to be fully themselves in the space that you are.
They are not separate entities or enemies, they are intimate appearances of you, and so they cannot hurt you, even if they hurt, and this is what we forget sometimes in our rush to ‘fix’ or at least ‘normalise’ ourselves.

Yes, all of those swirling, pulsating energies of that which we call ‘life’ are welcome in the unlimited room that you are, the vast Living Room in which all of creation sings and dances and paints itself into the ever-changing picture of this extraordinary moment…
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:23 am
roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
What if you are the one who is deluded Roy. And those you so confidently claim to be in a deep state of delusion is just your own deluded thinking?

What if there is no such state as ''thoughtfree'' awareness as you so confidently claim to be the 'Natural State'. What if you are wrong?
But if one has recognized being in a state of 'thought free Awareness', and so has experienced this state DIRECTLY, and thus KNOWS 'It' exists, then they could NOT be wrong.
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:23 am What if the 'Natural State' is more along the lines of ......
And what if it is NOT?
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:23 am
It’s about unconditional friendliness and infinite kindness to yourself. It’s about making it safe, finally safe for all of those unloved, un-met, unseen waves of the ocean of yourself to crawl out of the depths, out of the darkness, out of the corners and holes and crevices of experience and come into the light, blinking and full of wonder..

It’s about giving birth to yourself, so that all thoughts are finally allowed to flood in, all sensations, all feelings, all sounds, all those waves that we used to label ‘dark’, or ‘evil’, or ‘negative’, or ‘dangerous’, or ‘sinful’ – fear, anger, boredom, doubt, confusion, frustration, helplessness… are finally allowed to come to rest, to breathe, to be fully themselves in the space that you are.
They are not separate entities or enemies, they are intimate appearances of you, and so they cannot hurt you, even if they hurt, and this is what we forget sometimes in our rush to ‘fix’ or at least ‘normalise’ ourselves.

Yes, all of those swirling, pulsating energies of that which we call ‘life’ are welcome in the unlimited room that you are, the vast Living Room in which all of creation sings and dances and paints itself into the ever-changing picture of this extraordinary moment…


Always be yourself, everyone else is taken. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU. :shock:
There IS if what 'you' are doing is ABUSING "others".
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:00 am Dimebag, just because at some point along the aging process, we make the discovery that this immediate living presence is Who I Am, does not make me a big blob of nothingness without distinctions. Or that there is place to 'get to' that is without distinction, is thoughtfree, blissful and happy..
But there is NO ACTUAL 'ageing' process happening. There may be a PERCEPTION of 'age', and/or of an 'ageing' process happening, but this is all just an ILLUSION. This is because in Oneness there is ONLY thee INFINITE HERE and NOW. Which, OBVIOUSLY, could NOT 'age'.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:00 am The very idea is nonsensical spiritual gaslighting. Especially when telling other people they are just not ''getting it'' as if there was something they were missing out on, and that until this is ''GOT'' then every non-seeker of truth, will remain forever stuck in a state of irrational unhappiness and delusion, manipulated by some information so as to make the person question their own reality.

Even the "non-dual" dogma is stuck in a certain lingo and a box of it's own, which I myself have been guilty of speaking.

The spiritual search is comparable to a 'ritual inquiry' into the true self, and is believed to be a practice that points the self to a place where there is no self and they think are supposed to lose themself some how and merge at that point with the empty void of nothing...then they hate themselves because they are not 'getting it' until they become that empty void of nothing without labels, without thoughts, without names, without words, without self and without form.

I say that it's mis-leading and it's Nonsense.

The comment down below is a more accurate account of the truth of self, IMHO

It’s about unconditional friendliness and infinite kindness to yourself. It’s about making it safe, finally safe for all of those unloved, un-met, unseen waves of the ocean of yourself to crawl out of the depths, out of the darkness, out of the corners and holes and crevices of experience and come into the light, blinking and full of wonder..
Crawling out of holes and crevices, of experience, and coming into the light, blinking, and full of wonder is, more or less, EXACTLY what ALL of 'you', human beings, do at birth.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:00 am It’s about giving birth to yourself, so that all thoughts are finally allowed to flood in, all sensations, all feelings, all sounds, all those waves that we used to label ‘dark’, or ‘evil’, or ‘negative’, or ‘dangerous’, or ‘sinful’ – fear, anger, boredom, doubt, confusion, frustration, helplessness… are finally allowed to come to rest, to breathe, to be fully themselves in the space that you are.
Internal feelings are nothing more than just 'emotions'. of which there are NONE that are 'negative' NOR 'positive', 'dark' NOR 'evil'. ALL 'emotions' are just SIGNS or SIGNPOSTS of what is going on AROUND 'you'.

And, WHEN ALL 'emotions' are ALLOWED to exist, and then just USED for what they ALL are FOR, THEN 'you', human beings, can CHANGE, for the better of "others" and ALL.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:00 am They are not separate entities or enemies, they are intimate appearances of you, and so they cannot hurt you, even if they hurt, and this is what we forget sometimes in our rush to ‘fix’ or at least ‘normalise’ ourselves.
'you' are EXACTLY Right that EACH and EVERY 'emotion' can NOT hurt 'you'. Although, OBVIOUSLY, some 'feelings' of 'hurt' are associated with some 'emotions'. But that 'hurt' is just a SIGN of 'what' NEEDS to (be) CHANGED.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:00 am Yes, all of those swirling, pulsating energies of that which we call ‘life’ are welcome in the unlimited room that you are, the vast Living Room in which all of creation sings and dances and paints itself into the ever-changing picture of this extraordinary moment…[/i]
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
Very interesting post Roy, are you a fan of Sam Harris by any chance?
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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:23 am THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU.
Age wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:22 amThere IS if what 'you' are doing is ABUSING "others".
But if one has recognised being in a state of 'abusing others', and so has experienced this state directly, and thus knows 'It' exists, then they could NOT be wrong. This is because Oneness is ONLY INFINITY HERE and NOW. This immediate present Not-Knowing Non-Dual NOW

In the appearance of knowing, the pretence play of duality, yes, by all means kill the behavior, as you are the seeing of it all. You are ONLY INFINITY HERE and NOW where everything is already welcome, and the seeing of it all is the welcoming. There is nothing to do but feel and experience life just the way it already is.

Kill what you know you could not be wrong about at it's root by not making the potential for abuse and victimhood to be part of the play of duality, in other words, if a person is labeled an abuser that will automatically create another person to play the role of victim. Kill the behavior not the person.

The behavior is the enemy not the person. We did not fight the enemy, we fought only ourselves and the enemy was in us. Either, kill the behavior, or kill the one who is capable of knowing the behavior. It's all your own story you are creating for yourself. Who are you without your story.

If you say you know...then the only way to stop this knowing would be to stop making more knowers. This is not too difficult to understand.

Animals do not know they are causing pain to another creature when they rip it apart limb from limb in order to survive. But, yes, if you are in the know, then you will see that life is nothing more than a brutal bloodbath, a not so pretty meatgrinder and it's eating you alive until you are all shriveled up to the dust you started off as...your life has basically gone round in a pointless circle of baby in nappies to an old person in nappies.There are no boundaries between you and the rest of life. There is no fulfillment or escape.

There is no you and me. This is because in Oneness there is ONLY thee INFINITE HERE and NOW. Which, OBVIOUSLY, could NOT 'age'.
There are no boundaries between you and the rest of life. There is no inside or outside.
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roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
Wow.
This is incoherent on so many levels it is difficult to know where to start.
My conclusion is that Roydop's state of delusion is very established, in that he has no idea about the basic processes of cognition.
1. He starts by contradicting himself by suggesting that you can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead); then he says you can't do this in point A.
He then says without justification that thoughts entering your consciousness (problematic in itself) are "random". (they are not).
Then he considers the possibility that you might be "objective" in this state. :D :lol: How is that possible when the definition of subjective would seem to be having a conversation internally?
THen- how can you be ego free, when you are sitting their conversing with you ego?
Now he performs the greatest dualism imaginable; "You cannot have control over your own mind". WHere is the "you", and where is the "mind". Does Roydop have lots of people in there?

It is perfectly reasonable to have in internal dialogue with your self and consciously steer your thoughts from your consciousness to think on topics you desire, else how would Mr Dop have written his post, and How would I have responded to it.
It is determined by the very nature of my brain how the cause of his post has led to the outcome (effect) of me responding to it. Those thoughts are not random but the sum of my volition, learning and experience
Where is the problem here?
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:23 am
roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
Very interesting post Roy, are you a fan of Sam Harris by any chance?
Sam would react by telling him he is confused.
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To the contrary, the meat of his post is something Sam Harris has explicitly said himself in multiple podcasts. Maybe not all of it, but particularly this bit:
B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind.
I half thought he was quoting Sam Harris in bits of it.
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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Sculptor wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:38 pm
roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
Wow.
This is incoherent on so many levels it is difficult to know where to start.
My conclusion is that Roydop's state of delusion is very established, in that he has no idea about the basic processes of cognition.
1. He starts by contradicting himself by suggesting that you can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead); then he says you can't do this in point A.
He then says without justification that thoughts entering your consciousness (problematic in itself) are "random". (they are not).
Then he considers the possibility that you might be "objective" in this state. :D :lol: How is that possible when the definition of subjective would seem to be having a conversation internally?
THen- how can you be ego free, when you are sitting their conversing with you ego?
Now he performs the greatest dualism imaginable; "You cannot have control over your own mind". WHere is the "you", and where is the "mind". Does Roydop have lots of people in there?

It is perfectly reasonable to have in internal dialogue with your self and consciously steer your thoughts from your consciousness to think on topics you desire, else how would Mr Dop have written his post, and How would I have responded to it.
It is determined by the very nature of my brain how the cause of his post has led to the outcome (effect) of me responding to it. Those thoughts are not random but the sum of my volition, learning and experience
Where is the problem here?

" He starts by contradicting himself by suggesting that you can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead)can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead)"

No, YOU can't sit quietly in a room without having a voice nattering away in your consciousness. Here I am doing exactly that for 2 hours

https://youtu.be/NJzTD1SInxU

Here is the situation. You are usable to understand my perspective because you are unable to stop your thoughts. You are unable to control your own mind and because of this you THINk that it's impossible; that it's a state that doesn't exist

You're wrong.

Now you will blah blah blah with that mind you can't control to try to convince yourself that you're just fine and everything is the way you think it is
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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Sculptor wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 12:38 pm
roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

🙏
Wow.
This is incoherent on so many levels it is difficult to know where to start.
My conclusion is that Roydop's state of delusion is very established, in that he has no idea about the basic processes of cognition.
1. He starts by contradicting himself by suggesting that you can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead); then he says you can't do this in point A.
He then says without justification that thoughts entering your consciousness (problematic in itself) are "random". (they are not).
Then he considers the possibility that you might be "objective" in this state. :D :lol: How is that possible when the definition of subjective would seem to be having a conversation internally?
THen- how can you be ego free, when you are sitting their conversing with you ego?
Now he performs the greatest dualism imaginable; "You cannot have control over your own mind". WHere is the "you", and where is the "mind". Does Roydop have lots of people in there?

It is perfectly reasonable to have in internal dialogue with your self and consciously steer your thoughts from your consciousness to think on topics you desire, else how would Mr Dop have written his post, and How would I have responded to it.
It is determined by the very nature of my brain how the cause of his post has led to the outcome (effect) of me responding to it. Those thoughts are not random but the sum of my volition, learning and experience
Where is the problem here?

" He starts by contradicting himself by suggesting that you can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead)can sit quietly in a room without thinking ( you cannot do this unless you are dead)"

No, YOU can't sit quietly in a room without having a voice nattering away in your consciousness. Here I am doing exactly that for 2 hours

https://youtu.be/NJzTD1SInxU

Here is the situation. You are usable to understand my perspective because you are unable to stop your thoughts. You are unable to control your own mind and because of this you THINk that it's impossible; that it's a state that doesn't exist

You're wrong.

Now you will blah blah blah with that mind you can't control to try to convince yourself that you're just fine and everything is the way you think it is
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Re: Experiment to show your state of delusion

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Flannel Jesus wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:23 am
roydop wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:38 am If you sit in a quiet room without doing or thinking anything (if the body is "you" and the thoughts in your consciousness are "yours", then one would assume that you would be able to control the movements of the body and the mind) you will see:

A: You will not be able to stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time. You will have no choice but to listen to the voice that is speaking into your consciousness

B: Of those thoughts you will have no choice what the thoughts will be. They will enter your consciousness at random

If you are objective and relatively ego-free, you will come to the conclusion that you do not have control over your own mind. Another reasonable conclusion would be that this uncontrolled mind is the source of all of your problems

Being able to steer your car one way or another while having no brakes or parking gear, is not having control over your car. In the same way, being able to steer the thoughts that enter your consciousness one way or another while not being able to stop them, is not having control over the (it's not yours) mind

Even though this is obvious there will be some here who will refuse to see. This is due to their deep state of delusion. The thing about delusion is that people who are in it don't know are in it because they are in it

I have made my way out of the delusion and feel a natural drive to help others out of it

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Very interesting post Roy, are you a fan of Sam Harris by any chance?

No I am not. Ramana Maharshi is my Sat guru. Eckhart Tolle is also worth listening to
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roydop wrote: Tue Dec 06, 2022 2:45 pm

No I am not. Ramana Maharshi is my Sat guru. Eckhart Tolle is also worth listening to
Everyone knows they do not know. Babies know they do not know. Old people know they do not know. Upon the apparent unknown forced birth there is no concept of I

Upon the death-bed of I - the known concept is seen through for the illusion it is as this I is forced back into the realm of the unknown from where it was birthed.

Those who know they do not know then want to tell others what they already do/not know.

Those who think they've found all the answers need to start questioning. You don't need to rely on a teacher for enlightenment.

Enlightenment takes no birth, nor death.

No one arrives here, no one leaves here. No one has to do anything to be here, for no one is never not here.


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Roydop tries twice and still can't get the quote function
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