K1Barin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:30 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:33 am
If there is ANY one who truly BELIEVES that EVERY thing is choice, then please come forward and explain what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you BELIEVE is true.
If there is ANY one who truly BELIEVES that EVERY thing is determined, then please come forward and explain what 'it' IS, EXACTLY, that you BELIEVE is true.
Until then what is OBVIOUS is that where matter IS AT, at ANY given moment, then that was
pre-determined, by previous actions, or causation, itself - 'determinism'. And, matter has formed into a shape, known as 'animal form', which has
the ability to choose - 'free will'.
BOTH 'free will' AND 'determinism' play a part in Life and Existence.
This can NOT be refuted.
Now, if ANY one wants to disagree or dispute this FACT, then feel FREE TO. But that is about all they can do. Facts and thee Truth of things, speak for themselves.
I waited for a response until now, but apparently no one believes in all choice nor all determinism. I don't know,
You do not know what, exactly?
What you believe or what is actually True, Right, and Correct, or something else?
K1Barin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:30 am
but the issue of choice and determinism is a historical discussion in philosophy that goes back to at least twelve centuries ago.
And the reason 'you', human beings, in the days when this was being written, were STILL having these "this OR that" discussions is because of your BELIEFS, and because 'you' still exist under a "educational system" that teaches and reinforces the idea of 'debating', that is; choosing a side and fighting for that side.
'you', human beings, have NOT YET learned, and thus NOR taught, the art of being Just able to decipher Truth from Falsehoods, Right from Wrong, nor what is Correct from Incorrect.
What 'you' have been taught, and are teaching, is to BELIEVE some things are true, and to fight/argue for that position. As can be CLEARLY OBSERVED throughout 'your' human history.
K1Barin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:30 am
If no one believed in anything but some choice and some determinism, then what was all this discussion about.
But 'you', human beings, do BELIEVE things, and this is what all those worthless and useless discussions have been about.
The very reason WHY 'you' have been mis/behaving that way I explained above.
What those 'one OR the other' discussions, which 'you', human beings have been quarreling over for centuries now, were to SHOW future human beings just how UNNECESSARY those types of discussions WERE.
K1Barin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:30 am
Maybe this issue is solved before and I don't know about it.
Do not feel alone. Just about EVERY human being in the days when this was being written were NOT YET AWARE of the 'solution' either.
But learning HOW to overcome your OWN made up and well supported BELIEFS is a process. Of which some are much more slower than "others" are at it.
Just remember some people still BELIEVE the earth is flat.
K1Barin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:30 am
Then please tell me who solved it and when and how. Or maybe just nobody dares to face contradiction with her/himself.
I solved 'it'.
When I worked out HOW and WHY I BELIEVED things.
And, HOW I worked this out was just through Honesty, Openness, and a SERIOUS Want to change, for the better.
HOW is the solution to ALL 'problems'.