Mind is immortal II
Mind is immortal II
To show that the mind is immortal I have to show that the mind is time-independent and it exists. The existence of the mind is discussed here. To show that the mind is time-independent we first assume that time is time dependent. This means that the mind is subject to change. Anything that is subject to change requires a mind. This leads to a regress. Therefore, the mind is time-independent. Therefore, the mind is immortal.
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No it’s not immortal ..the mind is an appearance of the immortal…an appearance is any thing but immortal.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:30 pm To show that the mind is immortal I have to show that the mind is time-independent and it exists. The existence of the mind is discussed here. To show that the mind is time-independent we first assume that time is time dependent. This means that the mind is subject to change. Anything that is subject to change requires a mind. This leads to a regress. Therefore, the mind is time-independent. Therefore, the mind is immortal.
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"time is time dependent"
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It's true! Changing one's mind requires a mind to change. What may make some minds immortal is, if they lived for 5 years or 5000, they would never feel the need to change their minds which is especially true for theists and some philosophy forum participants. So, yes, I half agree; that kind of mind is time independent.
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No, the mind is a substance. It is not appearance.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:45 pmNo it’s not immortal ..the mind is an appearance of the immortal…an appearance is any thing but immortal.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:30 pm To show that the mind is immortal I have to show that the mind is time-independent and it exists. The existence of the mind is discussed here. To show that the mind is time-independent we first assume that time is time dependent. This means that the mind is subject to change. Anything that is subject to change requires a mind. This leads to a regress. Therefore, the mind is time-independent. Therefore, the mind is immortal.
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That is proven in the link that is provided in OP.
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A substance is an appearance.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:56 amNo, the mind is a substance. It is not appearance.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:45 pmNo it’s not immortal ..the mind is an appearance of the immortal…an appearance is any thing but immortal.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:30 pm To show that the mind is immortal I have to show that the mind is time-independent and it exists. The existence of the mind is discussed here. To show that the mind is time-independent we first assume that time is time dependent. This means that the mind is subject to change. Anything that is subject to change requires a mind. This leads to a regress. Therefore, the mind is time-independent. Therefore, the mind is immortal.
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Good to know. Where can I buy a pound of it? What color is it? Is it a solid, liquid, or gas?
Where in the periodic table of the elements does it appear, or is it a compound?
Or are you just spouting some mystic nonsense that regards ectoplasm or some other ineffable stuff a substance. Woo!
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You noticed that too!?
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By substance I mean that it is something that exists and can affect reality.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:55 pmGood to know. Where can I buy a pound of it? What color is it? Is it a solid, liquid, or gas?
Where in the periodic table of the elements does it appear, or is it a compound?
Or are you just spouting some mystic nonsense that regards ectoplasm or some other ineffable stuff a substance. Woo!
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Well that explains nothing. All sorts of things exist which are not substances and in some sense are reality, like all knowledge, history, geography, the latest news and memory. They all really exist, but they don't exist materially and are not substances.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:31 pmBy substance I mean that it is something that exists and can affect reality.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:55 pmGood to know. Where can I buy a pound of it? What color is it? Is it a solid, liquid, or gas?
Where in the periodic table of the elements does it appear, or is it a compound?
Or are you just spouting some mystic nonsense that regards ectoplasm or some other ineffable stuff a substance. Woo!
The mind really exists, but it's not a substance, it's an attribute of those living organisms we call human beings and has no meaning or existence independent of the individuals to which each mind pertains. Sans humans, there are no minds.
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I explained in that thread what's wrong with your "proof."
If x is a two particle system, all we need for x to change is for the relations of the particles to change.
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Knowledge, in general, is a substance too but it is a different category from the mind.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 6:51 pmWell that explains nothing. All sorts of things exist which are not substances and in some sense are reality, like all knowledge, history, geography, the latest news, and memory. They all really exist, but they don't exist materially and are not substances.bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:31 pmBy substance I mean that it is something that exists and can affect reality.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:55 pm
Good to know. Where can I buy a pound of it? What color is it? Is it a solid, liquid, or gas?
Where in the periodic table of the elements does it appear, or is it a compound?
Or are you just spouting some mystic nonsense that regards ectoplasm or some other ineffable stuff a substance. Woo!
Mind is not an attribute given my definition.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:55 pm The mind really exists, but it's not a substance, it's an attribute of those living organisms we call human beings and has no meaning or existence independent of the individuals to which each mind pertains. Sans humans, there are no minds.
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I don't understand your point.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sat Jul 10, 2021 7:37 pmI explained in that thread what's wrong with your "proof."
If x is a two particle system, all we need for x to change is for the relations of the particles to change.