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trokanmariel wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:56 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:16 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:18 pm


I've come across a development lately, regarding how to continue our discussion (thank you by the way, for the divulgence about yourself, about wanting to wait for the end of time).

Bureaucracy, the health and safety system of society, is a mechanism for data freedom not being able to use time. Data freedom: what is it?

My estimation, is that data freedom is data being able to use physics.

Approaching May 28th, there will be the routine of people dying in Ukraine, while the deities that govern me get me to use the trigger system through psychological complaint. Not complaint, but psychological complaint.

A recent query, that I've come up with, is whether news media data is a manifestation of the data mass puzzle. The DMP is that any final frame of data is indecipherable.

The construct, of the approaching May 28th comment, wherein I mentioned deities getting me to use the trigger system, is this: the inevitable necessity, of my narrative, is deities way out.

About symbolism, and its manifestation around me:
My thinking, is that for symbolism to be active, God can't be using it. Because the name God encompasses the universal literal.
When Janice looks at Charlotte and Linda, in the barn in Annabelle Creation, that is the meaning of the look.

Would you like to describe to me a bit further, about your own experience with the end time?
Well, my spiritual experience is more than 10 years long so it is difficult to sum them up in one post. I know many Deities, good and evil. I become familiar with them gradually during these years. It was around 2010 or maybe 2011 that I started getting used to reading signs in my surrounding. As far as I recall it was during that period that there was a discussion about the end of the time by a priest. I don't recall his name. He was talking about the end of time and mentions some signs which come true for me so I believed that the end of time is close and had something to do with me. I was desperately looking at the signs waiting for the end of time. During that time I accepted a spirit that fused into my body. Manything happened afterward. I was asked to commit suicide in order to sacrifice my life to bring peace. I did that but I didn't die. I get hospitalized. I collapsed and became very weak. I was highly depressed for a long period of time living in a state of schizophrenia. It took me a long time to recover. I realized that all my attempts turn into failures. In the end, the end of time never came true. It was later that I learned that there is a strong reason that life on earth should be like this and should never change so I accept life as it is. It was later, that I was given three keys by Trinity. To me, that is a sign of the end of time. But I don't see any reason to change life on earth and I don't think that Deities think otherwise.

I highly advise you to be careful about your mental and physical health. Spiritual Beings are very strong and can easily harm you or force you to harm others. I was once possessed by a Devil attempting to kill my father. I fail to kill him because the Devil release me during the struggle. I drop the knife and started crying afterward wondering what has happened to me. So I advise you to be careful.

Thank you very much, for the elaboration.
I'm drawn to your later assessment, that reality is right to be the way it is. By this, it's presumably implied that capitalism is correct. Or, that a socialism system of analysis is correct. The system of analysis part meaning a constant co-ordinated effort by people en masse to reference their surroundings, in line with socialism.

About your advice to me:
one of the curious psychology systems, which I came across, in the interim of this post and the previous post to you, is that there is the physics that believes in my wrongdoing of linking the war in Ukraine to the Peek-A-Boo mind trigger system.
What is this?

Is it the proof, that physics can learn? I said before that I believed that physics was sent to me, by sunlight (perhaps the very sun that I was raising my hand to in 2011).

I need to elaborate myself - what is the mind trigger, and why aren't the people in Ukraine using it?
The mind trigger, is any awareness of tragedy being a source of reminder. Some of Peek-A-Boo's allies include Christian Camargo's Dracula, from Penny Dreadful, Mason Dertry (the ostensible Master of the Universe), Racer Drive, who is a magic version of Nadia Bjorlin (and likely a result of the magic nationalism syndrome) and so on and so forth.

I asked, why aren't the people in Ukraine using it?
Of course, this applies to people in Brazil, the United States, China, Japan, Australia etc etc.

I ask, because of the science, that publication is permanence. But, what is that?


It's possible, that the system of names was created in the first place, in order to create the gravitation of memory angle. The gravitation of memory, being the (Lonnie from TV's IKWYDLS is guiding me) framework to instil memory-direction.


If environment precedes life, there is no blackmail system by deities. But, what is the blackmail?

Alex Cross awaits the reply.


Whatever it is, it is something that can't use left-wing politics (Sam Neill's Richard Martin is the reference here), ergo the Ukraine reference.



So, in the end, one's left with the real definition, of left-wing politics. Another bookend.

I started with talk about socialism, and through the consistent science of talk about my predicament, have ended up with socialism again.


When you reference yourself, when you referenced yourself, after my asking you about yourself, do you engage in the psychology of self versus relatability.

What do I mean, by self versus relatability?

First what I'll do, is see what you have to say, and then try to explore the answer to that question.
Yes, socialism is the way to go. One state, all people equal, all problems are resolved!
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bahman wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:04 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:33 am
bahman wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:51 pm
I have an argument for the mind and I have another argument for the mind that it doesn't vanish. Interested?
I think I've heard them all before, so no.
Cool, so we agree. :mrgreen:
no, never in a million years.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:01 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:04 pm
Sculptor wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:33 am

I think I've heard them all before, so no.
Cool, so we agree. :mrgreen:
no, never in a million years.
Oh come on, my arguments are very convincing.
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Re: How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?

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bahman wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:06 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:56 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:16 pm
Well, my spiritual experience is more than 10 years long so it is difficult to sum them up in one post. I know many Deities, good and evil. I become familiar with them gradually during these years. It was around 2010 or maybe 2011 that I started getting used to reading signs in my surrounding. As far as I recall it was during that period that there was a discussion about the end of the time by a priest. I don't recall his name. He was talking about the end of time and mentions some signs which come true for me so I believed that the end of time is close and had something to do with me. I was desperately looking at the signs waiting for the end of time. During that time I accepted a spirit that fused into my body. Manything happened afterward. I was asked to commit suicide in order to sacrifice my life to bring peace. I did that but I didn't die. I get hospitalized. I collapsed and became very weak. I was highly depressed for a long period of time living in a state of schizophrenia. It took me a long time to recover. I realized that all my attempts turn into failures. In the end, the end of time never came true. It was later that I learned that there is a strong reason that life on earth should be like this and should never change so I accept life as it is. It was later, that I was given three keys by Trinity. To me, that is a sign of the end of time. But I don't see any reason to change life on earth and I don't think that Deities think otherwise.

I highly advise you to be careful about your mental and physical health. Spiritual Beings are very strong and can easily harm you or force you to harm others. I was once possessed by a Devil attempting to kill my father. I fail to kill him because the Devil release me during the struggle. I drop the knife and started crying afterward wondering what has happened to me. So I advise you to be careful.

Thank you very much, for the elaboration.
I'm drawn to your later assessment, that reality is right to be the way it is. By this, it's presumably implied that capitalism is correct. Or, that a socialism system of analysis is correct. The system of analysis part meaning a constant co-ordinated effort by people en masse to reference their surroundings, in line with socialism.

About your advice to me:
one of the curious psychology systems, which I came across, in the interim of this post and the previous post to you, is that there is the physics that believes in my wrongdoing of linking the war in Ukraine to the Peek-A-Boo mind trigger system.
What is this?

Is it the proof, that physics can learn? I said before that I believed that physics was sent to me, by sunlight (perhaps the very sun that I was raising my hand to in 2011).

I need to elaborate myself - what is the mind trigger, and why aren't the people in Ukraine using it?
The mind trigger, is any awareness of tragedy being a source of reminder. Some of Peek-A-Boo's allies include Christian Camargo's Dracula, from Penny Dreadful, Mason Dertry (the ostensible Master of the Universe), Racer Drive, who is a magic version of Nadia Bjorlin (and likely a result of the magic nationalism syndrome) and so on and so forth.

I asked, why aren't the people in Ukraine using it?
Of course, this applies to people in Brazil, the United States, China, Japan, Australia etc etc.

I ask, because of the science, that publication is permanence. But, what is that?


It's possible, that the system of names was created in the first place, in order to create the gravitation of memory angle. The gravitation of memory, being the (Lonnie from TV's IKWYDLS is guiding me) framework to instil memory-direction.


If environment precedes life, there is no blackmail system by deities. But, what is the blackmail?

Alex Cross awaits the reply.


Whatever it is, it is something that can't use left-wing politics (Sam Neill's Richard Martin is the reference here), ergo the Ukraine reference.



So, in the end, one's left with the real definition, of left-wing politics. Another bookend.

I started with talk about socialism, and through the consistent science of talk about my predicament, have ended up with socialism again.


When you reference yourself, when you referenced yourself, after my asking you about yourself, do you engage in the psychology of self versus relatability.

What do I mean, by self versus relatability?

First what I'll do, is see what you have to say, and then try to explore the answer to that question.
Yes, socialism is the way to go. One state, all people equal, all problems are resolved!

After first reading the reply, I did some reflection.
What I stayed at, is that the inverse of a technical identity that can't be promoted is an emotional absence that can't be suppressed.

Or is it an emotional absence that can be suppressed?

There was the arc. What do I mean, by arc?


By it, I mean the promise of uplift. We published the discoveries. By tradition, discovery means development.
The outcome, of the arc, is that the bureaucracy syndrome which I mentioned has reared itself. But, what is the bureaucracy syndrome exactly?

In general, the bureaucracy idea is that a discovery or revelation isn't to function, because a telephone number was incorrect. In this instance, the socialism condemnation by yourself is akin to the bureaucracy syndrome.

By tradition, spirituality as an issue is above or is the status of above the issues of society, including socialism vs capitalism; in reality, I know that the reason for your condemnation of socialism is because of the physics of disbelief, in religion.

Indeed, I informed you about Peek-A-Boo and Samantha Worzeil, but of course, the construct in which I am at your mercy of belief was able to translate to the left-wing politics transcendence.


What do you make of this?


Is it conceivable, that if left-wing politics is transcendence, that religion is a necessary gateway to that system?

For Samantha Worzeil.

And for James Cromwell's Babe.


To clarify, before hoping for your response:
Is it possible, that the capitalism endgame of yourself, in which your own religion of discovery's absence of proof system led to it is in fact a mirror, to my socialism endgame being accessed from Peek-A-Boo?
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trokanmariel wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:58 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:06 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 1:56 pm


Thank you very much, for the elaboration.
I'm drawn to your later assessment, that reality is right to be the way it is. By this, it's presumably implied that capitalism is correct. Or, that a socialism system of analysis is correct. The system of analysis part meaning a constant co-ordinated effort by people en masse to reference their surroundings, in line with socialism.

About your advice to me:
one of the curious psychology systems, which I came across, in the interim of this post and the previous post to you, is that there is the physics that believes in my wrongdoing of linking the war in Ukraine to the Peek-A-Boo mind trigger system.
What is this?

Is it the proof, that physics can learn? I said before that I believed that physics was sent to me, by sunlight (perhaps the very sun that I was raising my hand to in 2011).

I need to elaborate myself - what is the mind trigger, and why aren't the people in Ukraine using it?
The mind trigger, is any awareness of tragedy being a source of reminder. Some of Peek-A-Boo's allies include Christian Camargo's Dracula, from Penny Dreadful, Mason Dertry (the ostensible Master of the Universe), Racer Drive, who is a magic version of Nadia Bjorlin (and likely a result of the magic nationalism syndrome) and so on and so forth.

I asked, why aren't the people in Ukraine using it?
Of course, this applies to people in Brazil, the United States, China, Japan, Australia etc etc.

I ask, because of the science, that publication is permanence. But, what is that?


It's possible, that the system of names was created in the first place, in order to create the gravitation of memory angle. The gravitation of memory, being the (Lonnie from TV's IKWYDLS is guiding me) framework to instil memory-direction.


If environment precedes life, there is no blackmail system by deities. But, what is the blackmail?

Alex Cross awaits the reply.


Whatever it is, it is something that can't use left-wing politics (Sam Neill's Richard Martin is the reference here), ergo the Ukraine reference.



So, in the end, one's left with the real definition, of left-wing politics. Another bookend.

I started with talk about socialism, and through the consistent science of talk about my predicament, have ended up with socialism again.


When you reference yourself, when you referenced yourself, after my asking you about yourself, do you engage in the psychology of self versus relatability.

What do I mean, by self versus relatability?

First what I'll do, is see what you have to say, and then try to explore the answer to that question.
Yes, socialism is the way to go. One state, all people equal, all problems are resolved!

After first reading the reply, I did some reflection.
What I stayed at, is that the inverse of a technical identity that can't be promoted is an emotional absence that can't be suppressed.

Or is it an emotional absence that can be suppressed?

There was the arc. What do I mean, by arc?


By it, I mean the promise of uplift. We published the discoveries. By tradition, discovery means development.
The outcome, of the arc, is that the bureaucracy syndrome which I mentioned has reared itself. But, what is the bureaucracy syndrome exactly?

In general, the bureaucracy idea is that a discovery or revelation isn't to function, because a telephone number was incorrect. In this instance, the socialism condemnation by yourself is akin to the bureaucracy syndrome.

By tradition, spirituality as an issue is above or is the status of above the issues of society, including socialism vs capitalism; in reality, I know that the reason for your condemnation of socialism is because of the physics of disbelief, in religion.

Indeed, I informed you about Peek-A-Boo and Samantha Worzeil, but of course, the construct in which I am at your mercy of belief was able to translate to the left-wing politics transcendence.


What do you make of this?


Is it conceivable, that if left-wing politics is transcendence, that religion is a necessary gateway to that system?

For Samantha Worzeil.

And for James Cromwell's Babe.


To clarify, before hoping for your response:
Is it possible, that the capitalism endgame of yourself, in which your own religion of discovery's absence of proof system led to it is in fact a mirror, to my socialism endgame being accessed from Peek-A-Boo?
It is possible to change people's mindsets from accepting capitalism to accepting socialism. Education.
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bahman wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:48 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:58 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 4:06 pm
Yes, socialism is the way to go. One state, all people equal, all problems are resolved!

After first reading the reply, I did some reflection.
What I stayed at, is that the inverse of a technical identity that can't be promoted is an emotional absence that can't be suppressed.

Or is it an emotional absence that can be suppressed?

There was the arc. What do I mean, by arc?


By it, I mean the promise of uplift. We published the discoveries. By tradition, discovery means development.
The outcome, of the arc, is that the bureaucracy syndrome which I mentioned has reared itself. But, what is the bureaucracy syndrome exactly?

In general, the bureaucracy idea is that a discovery or revelation isn't to function, because a telephone number was incorrect. In this instance, the socialism condemnation by yourself is akin to the bureaucracy syndrome.

By tradition, spirituality as an issue is above or is the status of above the issues of society, including socialism vs capitalism; in reality, I know that the reason for your condemnation of socialism is because of the physics of disbelief, in religion.

Indeed, I informed you about Peek-A-Boo and Samantha Worzeil, but of course, the construct in which I am at your mercy of belief was able to translate to the left-wing politics transcendence.


What do you make of this?


Is it conceivable, that if left-wing politics is transcendence, that religion is a necessary gateway to that system?

For Samantha Worzeil.

And for James Cromwell's Babe.


To clarify, before hoping for your response:
Is it possible, that the capitalism endgame of yourself, in which your own religion of discovery's absence of proof system led to it is in fact a mirror, to my socialism endgame being accessed from Peek-A-Boo?
It is possible to change people's mindsets from accepting capitalism to accepting socialism. Education.

My calculation, of your reply, is that it is not a deliberate ambiguity. However, the ambiguity status of the reply isn't affected by the lack of intention.

In other words: what you created was the reverse, of what I'm currently experiencing day to day. By this, i mean that I'm experiencing the judgement to judgement, in which the aristocracy of positive is the absence of proof.

To revert back to the previous subject, of Peek-A-Boo's socialism; since the previous publication, of said subject, I've deemed it a profound.

The chart, as I like to call it, of capitalism from traditional theology to socialism from the conspiracy on hold theology, is a definitive discovery, which I've withheld from definitive publication format through my cousin Dominique Brady's wedding, to Nicholas Sanderson.

Politics is a rival to magic, and this is what informs the spirituality of having to protect one's possession of truth, in which the latter composition of protecting one's truth is related to my structure to you.

With Samantha Worzeil's help, I know that Louis from Interview With the Vampire is a movie analogy, played by brad Pitt.
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trokanmariel wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:48 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:58 pm


After first reading the reply, I did some reflection.
What I stayed at, is that the inverse of a technical identity that can't be promoted is an emotional absence that can't be suppressed.

Or is it an emotional absence that can be suppressed?

There was the arc. What do I mean, by arc?


By it, I mean the promise of uplift. We published the discoveries. By tradition, discovery means development.
The outcome, of the arc, is that the bureaucracy syndrome which I mentioned has reared itself. But, what is the bureaucracy syndrome exactly?

In general, the bureaucracy idea is that a discovery or revelation isn't to function, because a telephone number was incorrect. In this instance, the socialism condemnation by yourself is akin to the bureaucracy syndrome.

By tradition, spirituality as an issue is above or is the status of above the issues of society, including socialism vs capitalism; in reality, I know that the reason for your condemnation of socialism is because of the physics of disbelief, in religion.

Indeed, I informed you about Peek-A-Boo and Samantha Worzeil, but of course, the construct in which I am at your mercy of belief was able to translate to the left-wing politics transcendence.


What do you make of this?


Is it conceivable, that if left-wing politics is transcendence, that religion is a necessary gateway to that system?

For Samantha Worzeil.

And for James Cromwell's Babe.


To clarify, before hoping for your response:
Is it possible, that the capitalism endgame of yourself, in which your own religion of discovery's absence of proof system led to it is in fact a mirror, to my socialism endgame being accessed from Peek-A-Boo?
It is possible to change people's mindsets from accepting capitalism to accepting socialism. Education.

My calculation, of your reply, is that it is not a deliberate ambiguity. However, the ambiguity status of the reply isn't affected by the lack of intention.

In other words: what you created was the reverse, of what I'm currently experiencing day to day. By this, i mean that I'm experiencing the judgement to judgement, in which the aristocracy of positive is the absence of proof.

To revert back to the previous subject, of Peek-A-Boo's socialism; since the previous publication, of said subject, I've deemed it a profound.

The chart, as I like to call it, of capitalism from traditional theology to socialism from the conspiracy on hold theology, is a definitive discovery, which I've withheld from definitive publication format through my cousin Dominique Brady's wedding, to Nicholas Sanderson.

Politics is a rival to magic, and this is what informs the spirituality of having to protect one's possession of truth, in which the latter composition of protecting one's truth is related to my structure to you.

With Samantha Worzeil's help, I know that Louis from Interview With the Vampire is a movie analogy, played by brad Pitt.
I read this several time but I could not follow you.
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bahman wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:47 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:48 pm
It is possible to change people's mindsets from accepting capitalism to accepting socialism. Education.

My calculation, of your reply, is that it is not a deliberate ambiguity. However, the ambiguity status of the reply isn't affected by the lack of intention.

In other words: what you created was the reverse, of what I'm currently experiencing day to day. By this, i mean that I'm experiencing the judgement to judgement, in which the aristocracy of positive is the absence of proof.

To revert back to the previous subject, of Peek-A-Boo's socialism; since the previous publication, of said subject, I've deemed it a profound.

The chart, as I like to call it, of capitalism from traditional theology to socialism from the conspiracy on hold theology, is a definitive discovery, which I've withheld from definitive publication format through my cousin Dominique Brady's wedding, to Nicholas Sanderson.

Politics is a rival to magic, and this is what informs the spirituality of having to protect one's possession of truth, in which the latter composition of protecting one's truth is related to my structure to you.

With Samantha Worzeil's help, I know that Louis from Interview With the Vampire is a movie analogy, played by brad Pitt.
I read this several time but I could not follow you.

The part I like, of the previous publication, is the sentence in which I refer to the chart.

The general framework:
Capitalism < traditional theology (the Devil, Jesus Christ, Holy Trinity) <> the Peek-A-Boo, Samantha Worzeil and Mason Dertry truth > Socialism

I revere the format. I revere the framework. Because it makes sense. Indeed, the cultural cliche is that I'm at the mercy of the public psyche, as to why left-wing is granted right over the right, but, it's only a cultural cliche.

What follows?

In even more recent time, I've come up with a choice. Either that there is the sunlight/trade system, in which because I showed devotion to sunlight at a time in the past, sunlight has granted me awareness of its awareness of the true aristocracy. Or, there is left-wing transcendence's rival:


The rival, in question, is another subject of transcendence. It's deadly - transcendence through deadly.

A transgression:
Brad Pitt's Louis is the deserved transcendence, compared to Tyler Durden. In typing the previous sentence, Louis was looking at me. But, is magic at the mercy of me insofar as technology-magic is concerned?

Another bookend.

The magic that surrounds me, is one in which I am subject to the proof of the needless. Or is it? And if true, that evolution's origin is to do with me having to be subject to the proof of the needless, can it be free of conspiracy?

About left-wing politics:
Is a proof of magic, which is an emotion of left-wing but not right-wing an attack against left-wing?

Bahman - what are your thoughts?
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bahman wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:24 pm We are free. We however only can affect reality when our bodies are in undecided states. Otherwise, our bodies behave according to the laws of nature.
We are chained to our physical boies and become unchained when we die because physical needs no longer exist when we are dead.

So, we will no longer behave according to the laws of nature.
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How can we be chained to our bodies, when we are our bodies.. I don’t see my physical self as being separate from my intrinsic self.

Free to do what exactly, be dissipated energy.. for without a physical self, that is all we would be, a Willo the Wisp.
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trokanmariel wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:57 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:47 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm


My calculation, of your reply, is that it is not a deliberate ambiguity. However, the ambiguity status of the reply isn't affected by the lack of intention.

In other words: what you created was the reverse, of what I'm currently experiencing day to day. By this, i mean that I'm experiencing the judgement to judgement, in which the aristocracy of positive is the absence of proof.

To revert back to the previous subject, of Peek-A-Boo's socialism; since the previous publication, of said subject, I've deemed it a profound.

The chart, as I like to call it, of capitalism from traditional theology to socialism from the conspiracy on hold theology, is a definitive discovery, which I've withheld from definitive publication format through my cousin Dominique Brady's wedding, to Nicholas Sanderson.

Politics is a rival to magic, and this is what informs the spirituality of having to protect one's possession of truth, in which the latter composition of protecting one's truth is related to my structure to you.

With Samantha Worzeil's help, I know that Louis from Interview With the Vampire is a movie analogy, played by brad Pitt.
I read this several time but I could not follow you.

The part I like, of the previous publication, is the sentence in which I refer to the chart.

The general framework:
Capitalism < traditional theology (the Devil, Jesus Christ, Holy Trinity) <> the Peek-A-Boo, Samantha Worzeil and Mason Dertry truth > Socialism
What do you mean by this chart?
trokanmariel wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm I revere the format. I revere the framework. Because it makes sense. Indeed, the cultural cliche is that I'm at the mercy of the public psyche, as to why left-wing is granted right over the right, but, it's only a cultural cliche.

What follows?

In even more recent time, I've come up with a choice. Either that there is the sunlight/trade system, in which because I showed devotion to sunlight at a time in the past, sunlight has granted me awareness of its awareness of the true aristocracy. Or, there is left-wing transcendence's rival:


The rival, in question, is another subject of transcendence. It's deadly - transcendence through deadly.

A transgression:
Brad Pitt's Louis is the deserved transcendence, compared to Tyler Durden. In typing the previous sentence, Louis was looking at me. But, is magic at the mercy of me insofar as technology-magic is concerned?

Another bookend.

The magic that surrounds me, is one in which I am subject to the proof of the needless. Or is it? And if true, that evolution's origin is to do with me having to be subject to the proof of the needless, can it be free of conspiracy?

About left-wing politics:
Is a proof of magic, which is an emotion of left-wing but not right-wing an attack against left-wing?

Bahman - what are your thoughts?
I don't know. I don't understand your cryptic language.
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jayjacobus wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:32 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:24 pm We are free. We however only can affect reality when our bodies are in undecided states. Otherwise, our bodies behave according to the laws of nature.
We are chained to our physical boies and become unchained when we die because physical needs no longer exist when we are dead.

So, we will no longer behave according to the laws of nature.
We are free to act in specific situations when there are options. Freedom after death is another subject.
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MagsJ wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:05 pm _
How can we be chained to our bodies, when we are our bodies.. I don’t see my physical self as being separate from my intrinsic self.

Free to do what exactly, be dissipated energy.. for without a physical self, that is all we would be, a Willo the Wisp.
You are free to choose and act accordingly when you are in a situation with options that is where your body is in an undecided state.
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So, to reiterate bahman’s view of free will.

You, the mind, are free in certain situations of uncertainty, where there is no clear understanding of what particular option one should choose. There is obviously more than one possibility, but, these possibilities are not certain as to which option one should choose.

So. The ability to freely choose is dependent on:

-Being a mind
-having a body in which choices can be actioned
-being in a situation in which one’s mind can observe a situation where there are more than one possible choices
-having a mind which can imagine the possible outcomes of future actions, as if one can imagine actions and be uncertain, one must have imagined the future outcome of actions.
-being in a situation where these imaginings of future outcomes of actions are not clear what the best choice would be
-being in a situation where it is not clear how that action will create future favourable effects

So, the kind of freedom we are talking about here is not the freedom to scratch an itch. That, under bahman’s view, is not freedom. One simply scratches the itch, without choice, even if one is aware of it.

This view of freedom is a situational freedom. This freedom requires pause. Deliberation. Most actions in bahman’s view, are not free choices, but rather, conditioned behaviour.

One favourable consequence is, consciousness is necessary for this kind of choice. Consciousness may not be the ultimate chooser, but, it is at least a necessary link in the chain. The reason I say that is, we do not consciously generate the future imaginings of choice outcomes. If those imaginings are what is determining what choice occurs, then consciousness does not choose, but rather, takes part in the choice process.

I can imagine a situation where, while we are imagining possibilities, one particular possibility will appear more favourable than others. This imagining, combined with whatever is deciding on how it is better vs worse than other choices, is the determining factor.

But then we also have the scenario, where one cannot imagine how ones choices will affect future outcomes. A truly uncertain choice. I believe this is where bahman will say, that is where consciousness, or mind, chooses. Seemingly at random. And it might seem at random. But, there will always be factors determining why that particular choice took place vs a similarly attractive choice. If there were not, then causally it would be impossible for a choice to occur.

We cannot have a case where choice seemingly occurs, but without any causal determining factor. Unless you believe that mind somehow “jacks in” to quantum indeterminacy, and essentially is the one rolling the dice, which tips the scales in favour of choice A over choice B.

That, however, seems absurd to me. It seems far more likely that there are a myriad of factors which determine a cause, such as the state of the body, the state of the mind, personal preferences, ease of choice, colour preference, handedness (left vs right) etc.

Edit: there are also times where, not making a choice might be the most favourable choice. If you are simply a dice rolling mind, you simply don’t care about the future outcomes, and seemingly don’t have the ability to be undecided, which as far as I can see, in certain times might be a legitimate and maybe even favourable option.

Indeed, some people seem to even suffer from this inability to choose, I.e. paralysis through analysis. This mental disorder clearly displays how the mind has determining factors for making choices. This disorder seems to be associate with the aversion to feelings of discomfort surrounding uncertainty if the future. So, ones ability to choose in uncertain situations would also be determined by one’s ability to tolerate uncertainty, to hold the future in an indeterminate state, yet, still decisively act in the face of this indeterminacy. A kind of self confidence or faith in one’s own abilities to choose correctly.
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Re: How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?

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bahman wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:08 pm
trokanmariel wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:57 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Apr 13, 2022 9:47 pm
I read this several time but I could not follow you.

The part I like, of the previous publication, is the sentence in which I refer to the chart.

The general framework:
Capitalism < traditional theology (the Devil, Jesus Christ, Holy Trinity) <> the Peek-A-Boo, Samantha Worzeil and Mason Dertry truth > Socialism
What do you mean by this chart?
trokanmariel wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:47 pm I revere the format. I revere the framework. Because it makes sense. Indeed, the cultural cliche is that I'm at the mercy of the public psyche, as to why left-wing is granted right over the right, but, it's only a cultural cliche.

What follows?

In even more recent time, I've come up with a choice. Either that there is the sunlight/trade system, in which because I showed devotion to sunlight at a time in the past, sunlight has granted me awareness of its awareness of the true aristocracy. Or, there is left-wing transcendence's rival:


The rival, in question, is another subject of transcendence. It's deadly - transcendence through deadly.

A transgression:
Brad Pitt's Louis is the deserved transcendence, compared to Tyler Durden. In typing the previous sentence, Louis was looking at me. But, is magic at the mercy of me insofar as technology-magic is concerned?

Another bookend.

The magic that surrounds me, is one in which I am subject to the proof of the needless. Or is it? And if true, that evolution's origin is to do with me having to be subject to the proof of the needless, can it be free of conspiracy?

About left-wing politics:
Is a proof of magic, which is an emotion of left-wing but not right-wing an attack against left-wing?

Bahman - what are your thoughts?
I don't know. I don't understand your cryptic language.

By the chart, I meant the belonging to socialism. That socialism is the rightful by being the struggle; by struggle, I mean that if socialism is granted the idea of exposure belonging to it, as a Peek-A-Boo > Jesus Christ reality, socialism is then in the predicament of Still Belonging.

By Still Belonging, I mean the science of the conspiracy being confronted.

What is the conspiracy?
It is deities, or the logical truth to deities being able to live as evil, because I have the power to turn anything into algebra.
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