How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?
How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?
We are free. We however only can affect reality when our bodies are in undecided states. Otherwise, our bodies behave according to the laws of nature.
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That is like asking how can the cat meow when it is chained to a dog.
'we' are free because of who and what 'we' Truly ARE.
'we' are free because of who and what 'we' Truly ARE.
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become an Solipsist - then the "body" is noting mroe that thought.
of course i may just be talking to myself.
of course i am per my viewpoint - per emprisism i cannot know otherwise.
of course i may just be talking to myself.
of course i am per my viewpoint - per emprisism i cannot know otherwise.
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Re: How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?
We have been through this.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:25 amIt seem like people on this board can't comprehend being a antirealist on physical/natural laws.
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Which is what makes it odd that you seem to not be aware of it as a possibility.bahman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:04 pmWe have been through this.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:25 amIt seem like people on this board can't comprehend being a antirealist on physical/natural laws.
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In relation to what PART, EXACTLY?
If you repeat the ACTUAL WORD/S, which you want me to tell you what it/they mean, then this HELPS TREMENDOUSLY here.
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ok, you have me convenience
Re: How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?
What makes a human free may reside in a context that precedes that what can be comprehended by empirical science. An indication that this may be true is the fact that as of today empirical science has been unable to explain the origin of life and consciousness (the 'Hard Problem' of philosophy).
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What are we, and what are we free from and free to do?
Is the we, the sense of agency? The sense of an experiencer? And is the experiencer the same one as the agent, or can they become decoupled?
We know there are times when there is not a sense of agency. For example, when performing well rehearsed actions or behaviours. So does this mean we are conditionally free? Surely if there was such a thing as free will, it would be the base state.
If free will is conditional, what are the conditions and can one be more free than another? And if so, can one be so free as to exist completely separate from conditioning, or be so chained as to be completely chained to one’s conditioning?
Is the we, the sense of agency? The sense of an experiencer? And is the experiencer the same one as the agent, or can they become decoupled?
We know there are times when there is not a sense of agency. For example, when performing well rehearsed actions or behaviours. So does this mean we are conditionally free? Surely if there was such a thing as free will, it would be the base state.
If free will is conditional, what are the conditions and can one be more free than another? And if so, can one be so free as to exist completely separate from conditioning, or be so chained as to be completely chained to one’s conditioning?
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Science (materialism) is going to the wrong way. So no hope if it ever can explain freedom in terms of matter which is determined.theory wrote: ↑Fri Jun 25, 2021 2:39 pm What makes a human free may reside in a context that precedes that what can be comprehended by empirical science. An indication that this may be true is the fact that as of today empirical science has been unable to explain the origin of life and consciousness (the 'Hard Problem' of philosophy).
Re: How could we be free when we are chained to bodies?
We are free agents with mind and body. We are free to decide and acts when there are options.
Well, it depends on what do you mean with agent. If it is mind then experiencer is the agent. If it is the person, mind and body, then they are different.
We cannot be conditionally free but situationally free.
We are free from conditioning when there are options to proceed.
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I can grasp the last part, of your statement. As a reactionary isolation, which, given the symbiosis context of the last statement, is "peaceful".
In terms of the question, an equivalent concern of that issue is supporting the inevitability as a peace, when the means for the practitioner consists of the death of physics.