Do thoughts affect reality?
Do thoughts affect reality?
Of course, they do (we know the difference between a person who knows from the one who does not know). All conscious phenomena are irrelevant in what is going on in matter since matter behaves according to the laws of nature. Therefore, thoughts are irrelevant which is a contradiction since we know that thoughts affect reality.
Re: Do thoughts affect reality?
Thought can steer the body into action. This is the only chance we have of using thought to affect reality.
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Thoughts are part of reality in the broader, contemporary sense of "reality," and of course thoughts motivate actions. So yes.
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Re: Do thoughts affect reality?
Not sure what a Thought is or what Reality is, but Conscious Desires can affect the Physical World while they are being satisfied.bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:39 am Of course, they do (we know the difference between a person who knows from the one who does not know). All conscious phenomena are irrelevant in what is going on in matter since matter behaves according to the laws of nature. Therefore, thoughts are irrelevant which is a contradiction since we know that thoughts affect reality.
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How? Could you control the electrons in your brain? How a conscious experience, such as thought, can affect the motion of the electrons in your brain?
It is easy to say. Hard to prove.
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Can we agree that the matter behaves according to the laws of physics?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:04 pm Thoughts are part of reality in the broader, contemporary sense of "reality," and of course thoughts motivate actions. So yes.
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I know what thought and reality are.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:19 pmNot sure what a Thought is or what Reality is,bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:39 am Of course, they do (we know the difference between a person who knows from the one who does not know). All conscious phenomena are irrelevant in what is going on in matter since matter behaves according to the laws of nature. Therefore, thoughts are irrelevant which is a contradiction since we know that thoughts affect reality.
How something which is irrelevant can affect reality.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:19 pm but Conscious Desires can affect the Physical World while they are being satisfied.
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I don't agree with that, no. I'm not a realist on physical laws.bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:04 pmCan we agree that the matter behaves according to the laws of physics?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:04 pm Thoughts are part of reality in the broader, contemporary sense of "reality," and of course thoughts motivate actions. So yes.
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So matter behaves arbitrarily? That is the only option left.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:27 pmI don't agree with that, no. I'm not a realist on physical laws.bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:04 pmCan we agree that the matter behaves according to the laws of physics?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 1:04 pm Thoughts are part of reality in the broader, contemporary sense of "reality," and of course thoughts motivate actions. So yes.
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No, "Either there are physical laws that matter behaves or it behaves arbitrarily" is a false dichotomy.bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:59 pmSo matter behaves arbitrarily? That is the only option left.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:27 pmI don't agree with that, no. I'm not a realist on physical laws.
A big problem with "there are physical laws that matter behaves" is accounting for just what the heck physical laws ARE ontologically. I'm trying to get you to deal with that issue, since you accept that there are physical laws, but you're avoiding addressing it.
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Why? There is no other option?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:24 pmNo, "Either there are physical laws that matter behaves or it behaves arbitrarily" is a false dichotomy.bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:59 pmSo matter behaves arbitrarily? That is the only option left.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 9:27 pm
I don't agree with that, no. I'm not a realist on physical laws.
Physical laws exist as thoughts in the mind of intelligent agents only. Thought is a substance and has a form.Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:24 pm A big problem with "there are physical laws that matter behaves" is accounting for just what the heck physical laws ARE ontologically. I'm trying to get you to deal with that issue, since you accept that there are physical laws, but you're avoiding addressing it.
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"Matter behaves non-arbitrarily without following physical laws" is a third option.
Right, so how exactly does, say, a star a million light years away from us obey our thoughts?Physical laws exist as thoughts in the mind of intelligent agents only. Thought is a substance and has a form.
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RUbbish. All you have to do is get our of bed
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Re: Do thoughts affect reality?
bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:39 am Of course, they do (we know the difference between a person who knows from the one who does not know). All conscious phenomena are irrelevant in what is going on in matter since matter behaves according to the laws of nature. Therefore, thoughts are irrelevant which is a contradiction since we know that thoughts affect reality.
Dear bahman
Is it not perhaps more accurate to say that thoughts affect perceptions?
And, as one’s actions much depend on one’s perception, thoughts do affect what occurs in reality but not “reality” as in laws of physics.
Humbly
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