What do you mean by using the 'the' word here?bahman wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:19 amDo you agree with the definition of emergence?Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 1:13 amNow this is a GREAT and PERFECT way to START ALL discussions. If, and WHEN, this is done, properly AND correctly, then Truly PEACEFUL discussions can begin, from which a Truly PEACEFUL 'world' can also begin, and be maintained.
So, GREAT advice here "bahman".
Pity that your GREAT advice previously gets completely LOST here now though. For two reasons:bahman wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:24 pm By emergence, I simply mean that the whole has a set of properties in a given condition that parts don't. And here is the argument: There must be a reason that the whole show a new set of properties rather than any other properties given that the whole is in a specific condition. This means that the properties of the whole are functions. The only variables that are available are the properties of parts. Therefore, the properties of the whole are functions of the properties of parts. Therefore, there is no emergence.
1. You did NOT WAIT for 'agreement'.
2. You have ALREADY arrived at some conclusion, which you ALREADY BELIEVE and ASSUME is thee Truth, and from which you then say 'things' on the ASSUMPTION that they are, already proven, premises for what you are CLAIMING is ALREADY concluded.
Besides parts of your reasoning being faulty and thus WRONG, what you claim/argue is true is just done through 'circular reasoning' anyway.
Are you here 'trying to' suggest that YOUR definition of the 'emergence' word is THE definition of 'emergence'?
Either way I agree with A definition of the word 'emergence', which fits in PERFECTLY with ALL of the other CORRECT definitions, for ALL of the other words in existence.
Do I agree that YOUR definition for the word 'emergence' works in well with other words and their commonly accepted definitions, then my answer is 'No'.
See, I SEE 'things' in very simple and in very easy ways.
YOUR definition; the whole has a set of properties in a given condition that parts don't, to mean does NOT describe/define the 'emergence' word, at all really.
To me, that the whole has a different set of properties, in ANY condition, than parts do, is just an obvious fact, and nothing at all REALLY to do with 'emergence', itself.