SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:22 pm
Science has no Clue what Conscious Experience is. You only think there is a Clue because you are not thinking this through to the final stage of the processing needed for the Experience itself. Redness, Standard A Tone, and Salty taste are some of the things you refuse to consider and demand Explanations for.
There's a kind of backward thinking that the Materialists do. It goes sort of like this: "Science is the best method we have for getting at the physical stuff in the world; therefore, science must be the explanation for everything." They then assume their own conclusion -- namely, that the final answer whenever we learn what consciousness is must be, and can only be, a physical explanation, and then they confidently argue against anybody who tries to seek out a better explanation. But that's why they're not particularly disturbed when you say, "Science has no clue what conscious experience is." In the backs of their minds, the response is, "Yeah, but when it's found, it's going to be nothing but some form of Materialism."
And they think they
know this, because they've already ruled out of their own thinking that there
can be any other kind of explanation.
Of course, their confidence is completely unjustified. It's not more bright than if they'd said, "Economics explains poverty very well, so it also must turn out to be the explanation for cancer." If the two entities in question are actually of different orders, then forcing an explanation from one realm to fit another just produces really absurd conclusions.
In fact, science
itself is a product of consciousness. That is, it's a product of humans' unique ability to think, reason, categorize, structure and test things. Animals, which are as fully possessed of physicality as humans are, do not have science, and cannot do science. Science itself is a mental operation, not a physical-causal material complex. Science itself is thus of a different order from materials. Heck, even Materialism is a belief, and is thus of a different order from the causal-material complex.