I think I know what's going on with your Insecure message. I will need to talk to my Service Provider to fix that. There is a new requirement to always use https, but I am using http. Thank You for pointing that out. Nobody is going to be hacking my little website so I would not worry about it.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pmNice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:32 pm So while you are talking about SETI, and the inter-mind model of communication, and extra-terrestrial consciousness exactly in the week in which Arecibo collapsed, I figured this movie scene from Contact is relevant:
https://youtu.be/sWrWZaPnFzY?t=59
What 'consciousness' is more precisely....
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So much misapprehension in so few words (plus your prior history of crying wolf).Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 am I won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)
Have you considered the possibility that you suffer from excessive paranoia?
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Okay. I wasn't sure given I haven't particularly dealt with asp. I was referencing the secure protocol of the pages.[http versus https] I'm guessing it doesn't matter unless you are inputing data or downloading. But I understood that securing a site also formally asserts the owner's of the site are using SAFE etiquette. Without that, we could be vulnerable as long as any program, server or client side, lack the standards that both protect the client side AND grants legitimacy of the software being used. You can make any executable be triggered with any association. So "... .asp" could assign ".asp" to trigger some illegitimate software, technically. I'm just being cautious.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:28 pmIt is not an executable but it is Interpreted by the server software. You can click on a link from the main page to display a Live Stream of the results of an Experiment that is explained on the main page. What software is saying it is not secure?Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pm
Nice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.
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Thanks for pointing this out for others. But when I am aware of any faulty logic on my part, I also FIX it. I have a right to appear "paranoid" online. But the term inappropriately presumes something about my integrity and not merely my potential for being mistaken. See my last post above.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 2:21 pmSo much misapprehension in so few words (plus your prior history of crying wolf).Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 am I won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)
Have you considered the possibility that you suffer from excessive paranoia?
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Yes. I just responded to this point in my response to your prior post. To repeat, this is just being cautious. I tend not to have the problems online that others do precisely for being relatively safe. Given I am not yet completely familiar with all security issues for networking, I try to point this out. Hackers DO use social media links to get others to inadvertently click or go to other sites. This is not a comment on you personally.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 1:49 pmI think I know what's going on with your Insecure message. I will need to talk to my Service Provider to fix that. There is a new requirement to always use https, but I am using http. Thank You for pointing that out. Nobody is going to be hacking my little website so I would not worry about it.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pm
Nice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.
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Your integrity is not being brought into question - it's a simple application of Hanlon's razor.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:36 pm Thanks for pointing this out for others. But when I am aware of any faulty logic on my part, I also FIX it. I have a right to appear "paranoid" online. But the term inappropriately presumes something about my integrity and not merely my potential for being mistaken. See my last post above.
Since the content you are accessing is hardly deemed sensitive or stateful/interactive, the refusal to access website without encryption is only explicable as paranoia. Especially since malicious actors can acquire SSL certificates for free.
https://letsencrypt.org/
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Bullshit! You are alright to do what you like. But don't tell me nor others that this is paranoia. Your attitude is both naive and risks others by playing this down. The following link by Google explains the reasons explicitly.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:46 pmYour integrity is not being brought into question - it's a simple application of Hanlon's razor.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:36 pm Thanks for pointing this out for others. But when I am aware of any faulty logic on my part, I also FIX it. I have a right to appear "paranoid" online. But the term inappropriately presumes something about my integrity and not merely my potential for being mistaken. See my last post above.
Since the content you are accessing is hardly deemed sensitive or stateful/interactive, the refusal to access website without encryption is only explicable as paranoia. Especially since malicious actors can acquire SSL certificates for free.
https://letsencrypt.org/
https://developers.google.com/search/do ... t-is-https
Note that besides the normal concern regarding payments (#1 on the list), #2 and #3 here express the significance of securing our normal activity, such as here on this site, and to the nature of 'authentication'. This makes sure that the site's owner's or clients are held accountable should anything like inappropriate behavior occurs and can be traced.
Data sent using HTTPS is secured via Transport Layer Security protocol (TLS), which provides three key layers of protection:
1. Encryption—encrypting the exchanged data to keep it secure from eavesdroppers. That means that while the user is browsing a website, nobody can "listen" to their conversations, track their activities across multiple pages, or steal their information.
2. Data integrity—data cannot be modified or corrupted during transfer, intentionally or otherwise, without being detected.
3. Authentication—proves that your users communicate with the intended website. It protects against man-in-the-middle attacks and builds user trust, which translates into other business benefits.
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It's just a static website thatt publishes a document that mixes 17th century theory of mind, with 21st century science words filling in for the Cartesian woowoo. It doesn't need to be secured, there is nothing private in the communication between server and client. It might however need rethinking as a thesis. The author would be well advised to read Rorty, Strawson or Kripke to get some help with that ghost in the machine problem he has there.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pmNice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:32 pm So while you are talking about SETI, and the inter-mind model of communication, and extra-terrestrial consciousness exactly in the week in which Arecibo collapsed, I figured this movie scene from Contact is relevant:
https://youtu.be/sWrWZaPnFzY?t=59
You are the one who had the panic attack because Advocate switched off BBCode and started squealing about hackers aren't you? Maybe just don't give Klinko your bank details and mother's maiden name.
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You missed, the *.asp link above. I didn't deny panicking and it wasn't Steve calling me 'paranoid'. I mentioned that I 'fix' what I said wrong and did apologize to Advocate and altered the title of the original thread to reflect it and mark my mistake here. But see the above post and note that I am not familiar enough to know how safe or not ASP files are.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:32 amIt's just a static website thatt publishes a document that mixes 17th century theory of mind, with 21st century science words filling in for the Cartesian woowoo. It doesn't need to be secured, there is nothing private in the communication between server and client. It might however need rethinking as a thesis. The author would be well advised to read Rorty, Strawson or Kripke to get some help with that ghost in the machine problem he has there.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pm
Nice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.
You are the one who had the panic attack because Advocate switched off BBCode and started squealing about hackers aren't you? Maybe just don't give Klinko your bank details and mother's maiden name.
I still haven't figured out which programs or files are which. If I get into webpage design, I might have been better informed. I'd rather be safe than sorry and don't need to mention this again.What is an ASP file?
An ASP file is a webpage created by a web developer that resides on a web server and may contain scripts written in VBScript or JavaScript. It is parsed on the server, which generates HTML that is sent to the client's browser. ASP files are commonly used by ASP.NET sites and websites hosted on Windows servers running Microsoft IIS. [from https://fileinfo.com/extension/asp]
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Descartes is a standard punching bag for disgruntled Physicalists. Dualism is back in town. Get used to it.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:32 am It's just a static website thatt publishes a document that mixes 17th century theory of mind, with 21st century science words filling in for the Cartesian woowoo. It doesn't need to be secured, there is nothing private in the communication between server and client. It might however need rethinking as a thesis. The author would be well advised to read Rorty, Strawson or Kripke to get some help with that ghost in the machine problem he has there.
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I understand all of the above. The information security industry is where I cut my teeth.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:43 pmBullshit! You are alright to do what you like. But don't tell me nor others that this is paranoia. Your attitude is both naive and risks others by playing this down. The following link by Google explains the reasons explicitly.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:46 pmYour integrity is not being brought into question - it's a simple application of Hanlon's razor.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:36 pm Thanks for pointing this out for others. But when I am aware of any faulty logic on my part, I also FIX it. I have a right to appear "paranoid" online. But the term inappropriately presumes something about my integrity and not merely my potential for being mistaken. See my last post above.
Since the content you are accessing is hardly deemed sensitive or stateful/interactive, the refusal to access website without encryption is only explicable as paranoia. Especially since malicious actors can acquire SSL certificates for free.
https://letsencrypt.org/
https://developers.google.com/search/do ... t-is-https
Note that besides the normal concern regarding payments (#1 on the list), #2 and #3 here express the significance of securing our normal activity, such as here on this site, and to the nature of 'authentication'. This makes sure that the site's owner's or clients are held accountable should anything like inappropriate behavior occurs and can be traced.
Data sent using HTTPS is secured via Transport Layer Security protocol (TLS), which provides three key layers of protection:
1. Encryption—encrypting the exchanged data to keep it secure from eavesdroppers. That means that while the user is browsing a website, nobody can "listen" to their conversations, track their activities across multiple pages, or steal their information.
2. Data integrity—data cannot be modified or corrupted during transfer, intentionally or otherwise, without being detected.
3. Authentication—proves that your users communicate with the intended website. It protects against man-in-the-middle attacks and builds user trust, which translates into other business benefits.
You could say that I am a hacker. In the non-nefarious use of the term.
You are over-exaggerating the risk. Because there literally isn't any. No amount of "authentication" is going to help you if you if your browser is incapable of safely handling untrusted data.
Rest most assured that it's in absolutely nobody's interest to intercept your communications and modify the content you are requesting. You are creating unnecessary panic by playing this up.
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My service provider moved my website to a secure server. It now uses https. See: http://TheInterMind.com. Even if you type in http it will still redirect to the secure server and use https.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pmNice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:32 pm So while you are talking about SETI, and the inter-mind model of communication, and extra-terrestrial consciousness exactly in the week in which Arecibo collapsed, I figured this movie scene from Contact is relevant:
https://youtu.be/sWrWZaPnFzY?t=59
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Meh. The quality of the presented matter is too low for me to invest effort in this.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:43 pmDescartes is a standard punching bag for disgruntled Physicalists. Dualism is back in town. Get used to it.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:32 am It's just a static website thatt publishes a document that mixes 17th century theory of mind, with 21st century science words filling in for the Cartesian woowoo. It doesn't need to be secured, there is nothing private in the communication between server and client. It might however need rethinking as a thesis. The author would be well advised to read Rorty, Strawson or Kripke to get some help with that ghost in the machine problem he has there.
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Bye.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:55 pmMeh. The quality of the presented matter is too low for me to invest effort in this.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:43 pmDescartes is a standard punching bag for disgruntled Physicalists. Dualism is back in town. Get used to it.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:32 am It's just a static website thatt publishes a document that mixes 17th century theory of mind, with 21st century science words filling in for the Cartesian woowoo. It doesn't need to be secured, there is nothing private in the communication between server and client. It might however need rethinking as a thesis. The author would be well advised to read Rorty, Strawson or Kripke to get some help with that ghost in the machine problem he has there.
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Thanks Steve. I'll check it out later. [My consciousness is pulling me away to other threads at the moment.] We have likely common agreement on 'consciousness' or, where we differ, it might be a matter of different classifications and definitions only.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Tue Dec 08, 2020 5:44 pmMy service provider moved my website to a secure server. It now uses https. See: http://TheInterMind.com. Even if you type in http it will still redirect to the secure server and use https.Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:31 amI won't check your link given it is both an insecured sight AND the ".asp" is an executable. But what is this supposed to be (assuming you are not hacking anyone?)SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:02 pm
Nice Philosophical speech. I understand the Awe and Mystery. Still waiting on my first contact with Conscious Space. The Experiment that I hope will let me do that is still running at: http://www.theintermind.com/MachConExpe ... riment.asp.