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Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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Luxin wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:45 am
People who know nothing
are my kind of people,
because I know nothing.
Socrates understood.
The end began
when people began
to know everything
and trusted themselves
completely. (Luxin 234)


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Humans only recently came out of their Caves. There hasn't been enough time to learn much yet.
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I think what is most important is knowing that you don’t know, that is the beginning of learning.
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I think what is most important is knowing that you don’t know, that is the beginning of un-learning.
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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:04 am I think what is most important is knowing that you don’t know, that is the beginning of un-learning.
It’s like the zen or Buddhist saying, “you have to empty your cup”.

Most people’s cups are overflowing with utter garbage these days. Best to start with an empty one and decide what is worth putting in.
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Ramana Maharshi: "Be rid of current thoughts. That is all."

I'll go with the guy who transcended all suffering.

He lived until 1950. Google him.
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roydop wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:47 pm Ramana Maharshi: "Be rid of current thoughts. That is all."

I'll go with the guy who transcended all suffering.

He lived until 1950. Google him.
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Most people’s cups are overflowing with utter garbage these days.

I agree...you gotta be the gatekeeper of your head...there's a whole whack of folks lookin' to stake claim to the space between your ears

don't let 'em in
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roydop wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 1:47 pm Ramana Maharshi: "Be rid of current thoughts. That is all."

I'll go with the guy who transcended all suffering.

He lived until 1950. Google him.
Truly was a substance free psychonaut, going where few dare to tread.
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henry quirk wrote: Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:11 pm Most people’s cups are overflowing with utter garbage these days.

I agree...you gotta be the gatekeeper of your head...there's a whole whack of folks lookin' to stake claim to the space between your ears

don't let 'em in
Unfortunately, most people are so enmeshed in the garbage from birth they have no choice. Us lucky few who were born outside of it, had the perspective to see the madness as just that.
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SteveKlinko wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:21 pm
Luxin wrote: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:45 am
People who know nothing
are my kind of people,
because I know nothing.
Socrates understood.
The end began
when people began
to know everything
and trusted themselves
completely. (Luxin 234)


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Humans only recently came out of their Caves. There hasn't been enough time to learn much yet.
It's a myth that humans went through a "caveman" phase. Caves are not nice to live in, they are wet and damp and play havoc with rhuematism. In man's Palaeolithic past caves were exclusively ritual places, and really the only reason the myth of the "caveman" came about was due to the simple fact that EVIDENCE tends to get preserved in caves. Whilst such minimal evidence was being preserved humans were ahppily making all sorts of technology out in the open - none of which is preserved.This includes anything from basket-ware, wooden tools, portable and temporary housing, clothing and footware, bows, arrows, spears etc etc.
So rather than huddling in damp caves with rough furs, shivering, they were highly mobile and far more sophisticated than most people know.
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most people are so enmeshed in the garbage from birth they have no choice.

I think folks, after a certain point, choose their garbage...they have a choice...I say, hold 'em responsible for it


Us lucky few who were born outside of it, had the perspective to see the madness as just that.

that's crap...there's no lucky few

most folks, most of the time, know what the score is...most lack courage, is all

the emperor is nekkid: everyone knows this, but few will say so
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henry quirk wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:17 am most people are so enmeshed in the garbage from birth they have no choice.

I think folks, after a certain point, choose their garbage...they have a choice...I say, hold 'em responsible for it


Us lucky few who were born outside of it, had the perspective to see the madness as just that.

that's crap...there's no lucky few

most folks, most of the time, know what the score is...most lack courage, is all

the emperor is nekkid: everyone knows this, but few will say so
All of human consciousness is nekkid. No one whats to hear it. No one.

And so suffering grows
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roydop wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:57 pm
henry quirk wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:17 am most people are so enmeshed in the garbage from birth they have no choice.

I think folks, after a certain point, choose their garbage...they have a choice...I say, hold 'em responsible for it


Us lucky few who were born outside of it, had the perspective to see the madness as just that.

that's crap...there's no lucky few

most folks, most of the time, know what the score is...most lack courage, is all

the emperor is nekkid: everyone knows this, but few will say so
All of human consciousness is nekkid. No one whats to hear it. No one.

And so suffering grows
well, as I say, I ain't sufferin'
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