RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
Age wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:32 am
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:16 pm
All of what I mean by knowledge must be held by means of language.
Okay. So, now we get back to how do you KNOW that other animals besides the human being animal does NOT HAVE 'knowledge' by means of their language?
By the way, knowledge can be and IS HELD in thought, within a brain/body, BEFORE it is shared through, or by means of, 'language', with "others".
You now might argue that this knowledge held within, or as, thought is also held by means of language. But what language do those deaf and blind human bodies have? Or, do you propose that they do not have knowledge?
Age, I don't care if you want to believe animals have the same kind of knowledge human being have.
If this is what you have taken from what I have said, then you could not be any further MISTAKEN.
OBVIOUSLY other animals do not have the same kind of knowledge that the human being animal has.
Also, you ONCE AGAIN wrote as though human beings are not animals.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
I was only trying to answer your questions, not convince you to change your views.
And I am only trying to gain clarity of what you see or believe is true.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
When you use the word knowledge it does not mean what I mean by knowledge. You don't have to use what I mean.
Great points you make here, and this explains WHY there is so much disagreement and conflict among 'you', human beings.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
It is not possible for any non-human animal to have epistemological knowledge.
And as I have already acknowledged, this is a given. This is like saying human beings are different than other species because human beings have only what that have and which other species do not have. This, obviously, does NOT need saying.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
If you had read my article, "
Epistemology, Concepts," which I referred to, you would have known that and not asked me what I meant.
But I did NOT ask you what you meant, above in that quote of mine, which you have used here. What I did, however, is just ask you two very specific questions. By the way, you obviously have not yet answered.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
I made it perfectly clear what I mean:
What Is Knowledge?
The whole of epistemology would be required to answer the question of what knowledge is.
And what would you say is required to answer the question; 'What is epistemology?' the whole of knowledge?
Now, if you can not explain simply and easily what 'it' is, which you are trying to explain, then just maybe you do not KNOW 'it' as well as you wish or believe you do.
Also, saying that "the whole of epistemology would be required to answer the question of 'what knowledge is' SHOWS 'perfectly clear' that you are completely and utterly incapable of explaining what you mean when you use the word 'knowledge'.
RCSaunders wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 2:21 pm
Here the question only refers to what knowledge, in the epistemological sense, refers to.
The word knowledge is used to identify many different concepts, such as developed skills and abilities (he knows how to drive, she knows how to type, he knows how to play the piano), things one has experienced (I know what cinnamon tastes like) or is acquainted with (he knows where the library is) or even for things animals can do (Rex knows his way home).
Knowledge, in epistemology, refers only to the kind of knowledge possible to human beings, knowledge held by means of language. Language is a system of symbols called words which stand for concepts.
Knowing a language is not just being able to respond to a few sounds, signs, or symbols. Knowing a language means capable of forming, speaking, writing and understanding complete sentences. Knowing a language means being able to think, read, write, ask questions, and understand verbal explanations in that language.
The primary purpose of language is to gain and hold knowledge and to use that language to think, and make choices. A secondary derivative purpose of language is communication.
When we are young, it is easy to believe in the world of Hugh Lofting (Dr. Dolittle) and Walt Disney. I'm sorry, but that magical world of talking thinking animals just does not exist.
So, after all of this, when you wrote:
human beings are the only organisms that can have and must have knowledge. what you actually meant was; human beings are the only organism that can have and must have 'epistemological' knowledge, correct?
By the way, at whatever age you are it is easy for 'you' to believe in whatever 'world' you want to believe in. As evidenced and proven by ALL of the different 'worlds' that 'you', adults, see and believe are true.