bahman wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:18 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:17 am
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:39 pm
Oh yeah, My argument is simple, two premises and one conclusion:
I can prove the two premises.
Your premise 1 is unsound.
1. You did not defined "mind" which I am aware in your case, is an ontological independent entity/thing which I do not agree with.
In this case, you presumed your ontological 'mind' exists without proving it exists and is real.
What is known is that there is a correlation between experience and brain activity. Consciousness is due to Matter activity. There is causation too. In the middle, we have a decision. Brain activity cannot resolve the conflict of interest in a situation when options are equally liked. That is true since the matter is a deterministic substance, one input and one output. There is no algorithm for free decision. It is not due to a deterministic object.
In simple words, the free decision is irreducible. The matter is reducible. Therefore, the free decision is not due to matter. It is due to the mind.
We have gone through the above before.
The simple fact is when the person is dead there is no ontological independent human mind to talk about.
The urge to insist there is an ontological independent human mind is due to desperate psychology.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:17 am
2. "Reduction" ??
There is no such thing as absolute 'reduction'.
At present Science has reduce the physical to only a limited range thus this reduction is at best pseudo and not absolute.
Premise 2 is an impossibility;
Matter can be annihilated. Therefore, it is reducible. Something which is irreducible cannot be created and therefore cannot be annihilated too. I have an argument for that in separate threads.
Question is, it is reducible to what fundamental element?
Yes, water is reducible to H2O atoms, atoms to nucleus and electrons, .....quarks, particles or waves, strings [speculation], higgs boson, ... what else?
but what is the ultimate element it is reducible to?
Without knowing the possible final element, such a reduction is merely a convenient linguistic term that things can be broken up with a certain limit but not to any ultimate level.
From another perspective, reduction is ultimately reduced partly to the observers, i.e. the subjects. I have argued for this from the Philosophical Anti-Realist perspective.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:17 am
3. "Immortality"
Immortality is eternal life, being exempt from death; unending existence.
The idea of immortality is illusory in terms of 'mind'.
All the elements 1-3 are false and not realistic,
therefore your conclusion is false.
3 follows from 1 and 2. Can we focus on 1 and 2?
All elements within the argument must be true.
If one element is false, then the conclusion is false.
In your case all your premises are false.