You are really stuck in your definition of 'consciousness' and 'mind'.bahman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:23 amA person either experience (is conscious) or doesn't (is not conscious). These are two states of consciousness, on or off. People who are in coma are conscious but they simply don't respond because the brain doesn't provide stimuli to them and if the brain does provide stimuli they cannot respond since the part of the brain that is responsible for the response is corrupted.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:54 amOnly on state of consciousness??
You are living in your own silo world.
I suggest you google 'states of consciousness' to get out of that silo of yours.
I am not forcing you to follow my definition of consciousness. Consciousness to me is not emergent and instead is a property of mind. Consciousness to you is an emergent phenomenon. It is something extra than brain activity. So if that is true then you should be able to measure it.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:54 amYou are forcing your meaning of 'consciousness' into my concept of consciousness.To don't use brain activity. Consciousness is an emergent phenomenon in your perspective so you should be able to measure it directly.
As explained my definition of consciousness and mind is different from yours.
I have already explained my definition of consciousness and the different states of consciousness and how they can be differentiated in terms of responsiveness and other measurements.
What do you mean? Do you understand my argument?
No. You only have evidence that humans are conscious. To show that consciousness is an emergent property you need to show that the person is not conscious before a specific time/condition and suddenly become conscious afterward. That is the meaning of emergence.
When you see ice emerging from a glass of ordinary water [subjected to reduction in temperature] is there anything 'extra' to the number of H20 molecules therein?
It is the same with the mind and consciousness, there is no extra molecules, basic matters or any 'substance' in the brain other than changes or states of the brain activities.