OK. Fair enough. Have you ever erased a hard drive and then thrown a computer away, therefore murdering it?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:25 pmNo! I just put it to sleep. All of its memories are in tact.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:23 pm Or conversely, did you murder your computer last night if you turned it off?
You know that data on your hard drive survives reboots, right?
In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
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Re: In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
If you kill a human you kill a human.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:25 pm If you kill a human, are you simply erasing their hard drive? Why not answer it?
If you kill a computer you kill a computer.
Some humans are computers, so it could be said that if you kill a human you are also killing a computer.
Some computer are also human, so it could also be said that if you kill a computer you are also killing a human.
I suspect those aren't the answers your loaded question was designed to produce?
Re: In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
What is the intent of your loaded questions?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:26 pm OK. Fair enough. Have you ever erased a hard drive and then thrown a computer away, therefore murdering it?
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Which humans are computers? Which computers are human?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:28 pmIf you kill a human you kill a human.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:25 pm If you kill a human, are you simply erasing their hard drive? Why not answer it?
If you kill a computer you kill a computer.
Some humans are computers, so it could be said that if you kill a human you are also killing a computer.
Some computer are also human, so it could also be said that if you kill a computer you are also killing a human.
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
ALL humans are computers.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:29 pm Which humans are computers? Which computers are human?
Not all computers are humans.
I am getting the sense that I've triggered you somewhat...
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But you just said some humans are computers, not all. Did you change your mind?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:29 pmALL humans are computers.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:29 pm Which humans are computers? Which computers are human?
Not all computers are humans.
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
What if I did?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:30 pm But you just said some humans are computers, not all. Did you change your mind?
I change my mind and I contradict myself quite often.
That's what computation is - the manipulation of matter.
Changing my mind is changing matter.
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
We're done arguing then.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:31 pmWhat if I did?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:30 pm But you just said some humans are computers, not all. Did you change your mind?
I change my mind and I contradict myself quite often.
That's what computation is - the manipulation of matter.
Changing my mind is changing matter.
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
I guess you are lining yourself to go "Ha! I gotcha!"Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:30 pmBut you just said some humans are computers, not all. Did you change your mind?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:29 pmALL humans are computers.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:29 pm Which humans are computers? Which computers are human?
Not all computers are humans.
Too bad for you...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-modifying_code
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Perhaps you missed the memo?
I don't argue. I communicate with other humans.
if you are here for an argument and have zero intent to communicate - say so. Don't waste other people's time under the guise of Sophistry.
if you choose to argue with me - you can't win. I say this openly and honestly.
But at least I am giving you a choice...
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"Changing my mind is changing matter."
Prove that statement.
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Re: "Changing my mind is changing matter."
What would you accept as proof?
Computation is the manipulation of information/matter. A Stanford computer science will confirm this for you around 20 seconds into this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5WodTppevo
Your brain/mind is a computer. Changing your mind is the same as "modifying your own software" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-modifying_code ).
The act of "changing your mind" is manipulates the physical state of your brain. Because that's what computation is!
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
My goal was never winning though?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:44 pm Well, you haven't won either so we seem to be on par.
If somebody here is disappointed for "not having won" - it's only you.
In that regard, we are certainly "not on par"...
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Of course, you're not conscious. Where's your on/off switch, Mr. bot.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:45 pmMy goal was never to "win".Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:44 pm Well, you haven't won either so we seem to be on par.
Not having won only bothers you.
In that regard - you certainly lose. I am indifferent.