In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
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Re: In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
I take it you are not human?
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Same place as yours.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:52 pm Of course, you're not conscious. Where's your on/off switch, Mr. bot.
A sharp instrument to the bottom of the base of your skull (just enough to penetrate the medulla oblongata).
It'll permanently switch you off.
The emotional outburst is telling, Garry
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
It would be murder if you kill a human, which I am. It is not murder to kill an unconscious bot. You lose.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:55 pmSame place as yours.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:52 pm Of course, you're not conscious. Where's your on/off switch, Mr. bot.
A sharp instrument to the bottom of the base of your skull (just enough to penetrate the medulla oblongata).
It'll permanently switch you off.
The emotional outburst is telling, Garry
Re: In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
Do you even read what I say?
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
There's just one slight miscalculation on your part.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:56 pm It would be murder if you kill a human, which I am. It is not murder to kill an unconscious bot. You lose.
This unconscious bot has more combat experience than you do. If you tried to kill me, chances are it would be your funeral...
Re: In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
How do you plan to accomplish that without me retaliating?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:59 pm You're not conscious though, so I suppose we could simply bury you.
Embarrassing epitaph that would make: Here lies Gary Childress. Died trying to burry an unconscious bot.
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Or so you would hope. It wouldn't be immoral to do so.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:00 pmThere's just one slight miscalculation on your part.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:56 pm It would be murder if you kill a human, which I am. It is not murder to kill an unconscious bot. You lose.
This unconscious bot has more combat experience than you do. If you tried to kill me, chances are it would be your funeral...
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Does morality matter to dead people?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:01 pm Or so you would hope. It wouldn't be immoral to do so.
I wouldn't think so...
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
[sigh] You really don't understand the ramifications of your beliefs, do you?Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:04 pmDoes morality matter to dead people?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:01 pm Or so you would hope. It wouldn't be immoral to do so.
I wouldn't think so...
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
There are none.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:05 pm You really don't understand the ramifications of your beliefs, do you?
Beliefs are lip service. Cheap talk.
Actions have ramifications. Words do not.
That is why I can SAY that I am conscious or unconscious and NOTHING HAPPENS.
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Words are important too. They involve thought and deliberation which can lead to right action.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:06 pmThere are none.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:05 pm You really don't understand the ramifications of your beliefs, do you?
Beliefs are lip service.
Actions have ramifications. Words do not.
Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
What "right action" is ascribing consciousness to yourself leading you to?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:07 pm Words are important too. They involve thought and deliberation which can lead to right action.
Having simply told you that I am not conscious has made you threaten me.
You don't seem like a very moral entity to me. Consciousness or no consciousness.
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Re: "How does this vaporous, ethereal thing, the mind, cause a neuron to emit a neurotransmitter that causes the arm to
Sorry, I shouldn't have done that. I was trying to demonstrate the consequences of believing humans aren't conscious. It's frustrating dealing with you.Skepdick wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:09 pmWhat "right action" is ascribing consciousness to yourself leading you to?Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Feb 02, 2020 5:07 pm Words are important too. They involve thought and deliberation which can lead to right action.
Having simply told you that I am not conscious has made you threaten me.
You don't seem like a very moral entity to me. Consciousness or no consciousness.
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Re: "Changing my mind is changing matter."
The only proof I'll accept is you demonstrating how the matter that is you, when changed, leads to your mind (whatever that is) changing.
I'm not askin' for anything more or less than what you demand of Gary.
Here, I'll help...
*demonstrate you exist
*demonstrate you have subjective/internal experiences (that you are a self, a mind [gonna have to define self/mind and prove the existence of such a thing as defined]
*prove that mind and matter are linked (you're gonna have to define matter and prove it exists according to definition)
I could go on but I'm way too lazy.
You get my point, yeah?
You can't prove diddly.
If you say you can: you're a lyin' sack.
The best you can do is what Gary has done, that is: point to this or that as evidence, which, of course, ain't proof.
I'm not askin' for anything more or less than what you demand of Gary.
Here, I'll help...
*demonstrate you exist
*demonstrate you have subjective/internal experiences (that you are a self, a mind [gonna have to define self/mind and prove the existence of such a thing as defined]
*prove that mind and matter are linked (you're gonna have to define matter and prove it exists according to definition)
I could go on but I'm way too lazy.
You get my point, yeah?
You can't prove diddly.
If you say you can: you're a lyin' sack.
The best you can do is what Gary has done, that is: point to this or that as evidence, which, of course, ain't proof.