Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:52 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:39 am
In what sense is Descartes's dualism wrong?
It's wrong because when he made the claim ( '' I think therefore I Am '' ) it implied that when 'thought' was present then so must be a ''someone'' who is being aware of the ''thought''
Descartes is implying there must be a 'someone' who is aware of the 'thought' and that this 'someone' exists soley because the 'thought' informs of such. But this whole process is a phenomena known as a ''phantom invertion'' in the sense that an unknown subject turns itself into a known object...as if it's the object aka the ('thought') who is the one aware of the 'thought'.
Objects aka ''thoughts'' ARE NOT AWARE... there is no such dualism there in reality, so he was wrong.As 'thoughts' do not 'think' nor are 'thoughts' aware.
How do you know Descartes was wrong in saying "I think therefore I am"? Did he not exist? Perhaps he doesn't now but at the time he thought up his self-evident axiom he presumably did.
The ''He'' exists as a known objective concept in no conceptually known ''He'' .....as concepts are KNOWN by no known concept.
So what or who does apparently know the concept?
Answer: Non-conceptual Awareness does, and not the concept it is aware of. The known concept knows nothing.
There is no ''He'' being the I AM ''thought'' in reality there is no object that is the thinker.
Man is not the thinker.
Thoughts arise in no 'He'.
Thoughts arise in Awareness, the assumed 'He' is Awareness aware of the concept 'He', and so cannot be the ''He'' which is just a thought./
'He' is a ''thought'' ...which comes and goes in Awareness... which does not come and go.
Awareness does not come and go, and that's who and what you ARE
Notice the 'thought labeled 'He' comes and goes...while that which is Aware of that 'thought' DOES NOT
That's who and what you are...you are that which does not come and go for there is no where to go, there is always just HERE.
HERE can NEVER NOT BE HERE.
There is only ( Herenow / Nowhere ) a very convincing inversion, the mother of all illusions.
I know this because I have self inquired into the 'who or what' exactly is it that exists... I have not settled or attached to what someone else aka ''other'' has informed me, rather, I have tested this out for myself from my own direct experience.
Everyone can do this.
There is no separate I thinking. Thoughts are spontaneously self arising, they do not belong to a ''someone''. They cannot belong to a 'Me' because the 'Me' thought ) comes and goes in 'Me' the awareness that is being aware of the thought coming and going while I Awareness ALWAYS STAYS...