Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:43 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:31 pm
One cannot fully explain Oneness in words, just as one cannot fully explain feelings in words, however, the connection one feels when they realize Oneness is what allows one to recognize it.
As soon as we use language to define The Source, we have tainted our understanding of The Source. When it comes to Oneness, it is a similar story. Oneness cannot be defined with words because Oneness is a state of being that can only be realized.
WHAT IS THE PHILOSOPHY OF ONENESS?
What is the philosophy of Oneness of God and what does Oneness really mean?
Source:
https://www.selfhelphealing.co.uk/philo ... ss-of-god/
Yes, Oneness cannot be put into words in the same way that Redness cannot be put into words. These things can only be experienced. I have experienced Redness but I am still working on experiencing Oneness.
I agree with you Steve, that Oneness or for want of a better word (Nonduality) which is the same idea...definitely cannot be put into words in the context of how these words are to be understood by the one who ''apparently'' seeks to self inquire into the nature of reality.
So, 'Oneness' can now supposedly be even better explained, using just another word; 'Nonduality'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
Of course, it's obvious that the word ONENESS that is now appearing here in front of the eyes in symbolic form translated from arranged letters on this computer screen certainly does look as if that is how the word Oneness is put into words...but that's just too obvious, and not what this subject is pointing to at all. And I think that you Steve do know this in your own wisdom. You know this is more about wisdom than it is about general knowledge.
The point of this thread topic is that the word Oneness/ which is just another word for Non-duality or even Consciousness....is to inform the MIND that the capacity to explain or describe this word Oneness/Non-duality is impossible.
So, the word 'Oneness' is now being ever better and further explained in and with more words like; 'Consciousness'.
LOL human beings trying to inform the One and only Mind that what It already KNOWS and completely understands in words can not be explained in words is truly absolutely hilarious.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
First of all, the manifestation of any ''WORD'' is always sourced from ''thought'' which requires a (mind brain body mechanism) to process the ''thought'' and so the awareness of any ''thought'' is always known to be dualistic by it's very nature. But that is NOT what is actually being pointed to which is the Non-dual reality.
The world created by ''thought'', is the world of words, language, and concepts, and is the world of mentally constructed opposites.
But what this thread is really pointing to when we use the word (Non-duality) is something that goes beyond all of these mind-made opposites. But how can we talk about something that goes beyond opposites, when even our attempt to talk about non-duality via the idea of it is dualistic?
In fact the non-duality we speak of is not the opposite of anything. This is impossible to understand logically or rationally.
ALL-OF-THIS is ALREADY UNDERSTOOD logically AND rationally. In fact, ALL-OF-THIS is so UNDERSTOOD that it is so simple to explain in and with words.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
To see what is being spoken of, we must go beyond our ordinary way of thinking and seeing.
Yes this is very true. Just going beyond he way 'you', human beings, think and see is exactly how ALL-OF-THIS can be UNDERSTOOD very easily.
Going beyond the way most human beings think and see, then one arrives at God or Nondual KNOWING and SEEING/UNDERSTANDING.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
Some people are able to do this, and they are labeled Non-dualists. So Steve, you say you are still working on going beyond your ordinary way of thinking and seeing this Non-dual reality.
What we are really trying to do when we say ONENESS is to point to life as it is right now, before the appearance of concepts and labels are superimposed upon it, before 'thought' creates a world of conceptual words known as things...including ideas such as: me, you, past, future etc. This subject topic is about what is life before 'thought'
'Life' before 'thought' is
what IS.
What IS is extremely easy to KNOW, SEE, and UNDERSTAND. That is; once you learn or discover HOW to LOOK AT and SEE Life, Itself, HOW It really IS.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
Can we even talk about that? Is it possible to capture Non-duality into words?
Yes VERY EASILY. But one has to be OPEN to talking about this and to the possibility that it is possible to explain in words. Obviously, if one is NOT open to this possibility, then there is no way they could learn and understand just how truly simple and easy it really IS.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
The answer is blaringly and self evidently No, obviously.
LOL okay. If 'you' the concept and label believes so, then it MUST BE so, to 'you', and 'you' alone.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
Even to be labeled a nondualist is the result of ridiculous dogmatic thinking coupled with the deluded mental attitude of righteous religiosity..
And unsurprisingly it was the labeled one "dontaskme" who was the one who came up with and made the label "nondualist" here. This is because of the OBVIOUS religious BELIEF that is being held onto so strongly by that one known and self-labeled "dontaskme".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
like this for example: > ''You are dualistic and I am non-dualistic'' or I am more non-dual than you. But this is just turning further and further away from the point of this subject even more.... In truth, Non-duality is NOT a religion nor is it a theory, or an ism.
Yet it was 'you', "dontaskme", who wrote:
Some people are able to do this, and they are labeled Non-dualists.
So, what you, your "self", says leads further and further away from the point of this subject even more is the very thing you do here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm
Non-dualists are more interested in the truth of Non-duality. Not the dogmatic thinking about it.
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Once again, 'you' use the words "non-dualists" inferring that there are some separate selfs who are "non-dualists" and some who are "dualists".
I do not think I have met a more contradictory writer than the one known as "dontaskme".