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Is the mind the same as the body? What is consciousness? Can machines have it?

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"As stated before, i have no problems."

Bluntly: I don't believe you. You're here tryin' to convince folks you're right: you lack something (recognition mebbe?), this is a problem.

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"That's what Enlightenment is; not suffering."

Heaven on Earth: that's the delusion.

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"Also as stated, i am able to stop my mind, which means i have control of my mind"

Again: I don't believe you. What you claim is not possible (unless you're brain dead, and you aren't brain dead, Roy).

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"whereas you and pretty much everyone else does not."

Nah, I, like a lotta folks, have a pretty good handle on my head.

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"Makes perfect logic to me that if you can't stop thinking for more than a few seconds you have lost control of your mind."

Since it's natural and normal for a human being to think, and thinking, by definition, tends toward order, human beings are largely in control of their minds (themselves), so: you, sir, are wrong.

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"Everyone has and no one wants to admit it."

What a great many have is misguided or dis-ordered thinking. This is not about a lack of self-control but errors, mistakes, and wrong-headedness.

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"Delusion."

Yep: look in the mirror.
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The irony is that i post this stuff to try to help people out of their suffering. I offer an exercise that will show directly, that humans can't stop thinking for more than a few seconds, and then point out that this uncontrollable mind might just be the source of all their problems. I even back up that theory (training to focus on the space between thoughts, rather than the thoughts) with proof from my own experience - yes it works; i have no problems in life and experience perfect contentment/absolute happiness.

Instead of vast numbers of people thanking me for showing them their delusion and how to free oneself from it, i most often am ignored and/or attacked.

Having an identity is more important than not suffering, even though it is not seen that the incorrect identification is the very source of the suffering. When the ego (what one thinks they are; the illusion) is threatened, it will respond with fight or flight (hence the reluctance to actually sit and objectively examine one's mind). So it runs or fights to live another day, another life, another species. And so the cycle of Samsara continues until one finally wakes up.

Well there's a new dream being constructed right before our very eyes. And it's a long one.
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"Instead of vast numbers of people thanking me for showing them their delusion and how to free oneself from it, i most often am ignored and/or attacked."

Sounds like a problem.
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roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:13 pm The irony is that i post this stuff to try to help people out of their suffering.
People can only thank what they personally understand by association within the content of the message and how it is delivered. And I thank you roydop for being here. We've all got a message. And we need to understand that nothing we say is up for sale, rather it's all free.
roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:13 pm I offer an exercise that will show directly, that humans can't stop thinking for more than a few seconds, and then point out that this uncontrollable mind might just be the source of all their problems.
I even back up that theory (training to focus on the space between thoughts, rather than the thoughts) with proof from my own experience - yes it works; i have no problems in life and experience perfect contentment/absolute happiness.
The excercise does work roydop, it's like every other mental skill when applied, you can master just about whatever you set your mind to do with enough focus and willful intent. It worked for me. And yes, the result is no problems or suffering, just pure happiness. and the realisation and relief that happiness is not found in people or things, it's quite the opposite. And No medication required either, just a strong mind to see through the delusion of identifying with your thoughts as being real.

Doctors won't tell you that, you have to figure it out for yourself. Doctors take the easy way out by pumping the body full of drugs and sedatives, and people fall hook line ans sinker believing they are ill when they are not. In any case, part of their health problems are usually due to wrong thinking, that can be very easily corrected by the right thinking.
roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:13 pmWell there's a new dream being constructed right before our very eyes. And it's a long one.
Let them have their dreams, for what they wish, will manifest. It effects not the unshackled heart. The restless heart loves a problem, and when it runs out of problems it will invent other ones, always looking to replace one illusion with another. On and on it goes forever in persuit of chasing pink balloons.

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henry quirk wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:58 pm "Instead of vast numbers of people thanking me for showing them their delusion and how to free oneself from it, i most often am ignored and/or attacked."

Sounds like a problem.
Henry, to say it sounds like a problem is a projection that is your problem not roydops...because roy has already announced he doesn't have problems.

Do you not see what you are doing? you are creating a problem and then projecting it to roy as if it was his when it's NOT.. for there is no problem in roy... And that's what roy is trying to show you. You are only throwing rocks at the mirror reflection by attacking the messenger who is trying to show you how to be free of the delusion of being ignored and attacked by others.

All you do is react back at what is being shown to you with more attack.

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roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:01 pm Yeah so we're talking about being pulled into a simulation within a simulation and people don't see a problem with this.

WOW.
Only a species like 'you', human beings, could be so stupid and foolish enough to pull your own selves into the own simulation that 'you' are making, yet only some of 'you' can SEE this, but these same ones also can NOT do absolutely any thing about this but just keep getting pulled in to it.

The 'simulation' being 'your' OWN made BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.
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roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:07 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Dec 01, 2019 8:49 am How the media pre-prepares you for your future life.


List of artificial intelligence films..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... ence_films

List of zombie apocalypse films..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_zombie_films

List of post apocalyptic films..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_apocalyptic_films


“The mind is everything. What you think, you become.”

Goodnight sweetheart and sweet dreams.


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It's all happening in real time, right in front of us.

Zombies to be sure.

i'm laying out exactly what's going on; how it will come to be that the next incarnation will see consciousness identifying self with a computer program, and 1 person gets it.
You have made the claim enough times now that "you get it". Even IF this was TRUE, so what?

What is it that 'you' want people to do EXACTLY?
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:07 pm This is how the species was fooled by Maya into accepting this realm to be fundamental reality!
So, 'you' admit that 'you' ARE BEING FOOLED, right now, that this realm is the fundamental reality, correct?

If no, then HOW can the species be FOOLED but 'you' are NOT? Are 'you' NOT part of the species?

Also, if this is NOT the "fundamental reality", then what IS EXACTLY?

If 'you' can NOT explain this in a way that is understood, then HOW are 'you' going to explain that there is coming ANOTHER NON "reality" realm?
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:07 pm Round round we go...
Yes this appears to be EXACTLY what 'you' are doing.

STOP saying the same things and EXPLAIN what it IS that 'you' want people to do WHEN they SEE what 'you', think 'you', are SEEING.
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roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pm
henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:51 pm
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:01 pm Yeah so we're talking about being pulled into a simulation within a simulation and people don't see a problem with this.

WOW.
No one sees a problem cuz everyone thinks it's manure.

We don't live in a simulation, aren't simulations, and aren't about to be pulled into a simulation.

Also: Mankind harbors no collective death wish and 5G will only sterilize poor folks livin' in the cell tower shadows.

Finally: Crom doesn't love you, Trump is doin' a decent job, there's no climate crisis, transgenderism is psycho-bullshit, socialism sucks, Free Enterprise is Tops, and commies ought to be gettin' free helicopter rides.

'nuff said.
You didn't do the exercise of sitting in a still room without thinking for an hour, did you? You can't stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time, can you?

If I'm accurate, then do you feel that someone who can't control their own mind, has no problems? '
Just because 'you' can supposedly STOP thinking for an hour or so, that does NOT meant that when 'you' START thinking again that the thoughts are NOT a distorted, confused mess.

Are 'you' even Aware that 'you' could just be DISHONEST, with "yourself", about 'your' ability to STOP thinking completely for an hour or so?
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pmIs there suffering in the world?
To some, I would say yes.

Although I do NOT suffer, I do OBSERVE some, like 'you', suffering tremendously.

So, If there is suffering in the world, then what are 'you' suffering from exactly?
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pmWhere do you think it might originate from?
From 'you', human beings.

Where do 'you' think the suffering 'you' have originated from?
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pmHow about the mind that you and everyone else can't control?
But the OPEN Mind can NOT be controlled anyway.

Thinking that 'you' could control the Mind is just ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of one who IS totally confused, AND suffering.

roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pm This is all Truth but the ego doesn't want to go there, so you will continue to live in delusion.
Well said.
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:47 pmGood luck, you're gonna need it.
What for?

What do 'you' THINK 'you' KNOW that "others" do NOT already supposedly KNOW?
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Dontaskme wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 8:23 pm
henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:59 pm how long has your mind been out of control?

There is a war on for your mind. You will be visible, to invisible masters.

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And what is proposed to be take place once this supposed "minds" are "taken over"?
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Age wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:44 am
Only a species like 'you', human beings, could be so stupid and foolish enough to pull your own selves into the own simulation that 'you' are making, yet only some of 'you' can SEE this, but these same ones also can NOT do absolutely any thing about this but just keep getting pulled in to it.

The 'simulation' being 'your' OWN made BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.
TAG YOU'RE IT !! ( The 'human being' being 'your' OWN made BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS

Stupid is as stupid does.
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Age wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:21 am
And what is proposed to be take place once this supposed "minds" are "taken over"?
What takes place is the ''take over''..or you could call it the ''make over'' or the ''comb over''

The mind cannot serve two masters. The position is already taken.

Ponder on these things.

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Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 am
roydop wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:07 pm
i'm laying out exactly what's going on; how it will come to be that the next incarnation will see consciousness identifying self with a computer program, and 1 person gets it.

This is how the species was fooled by Maya into accepting this realm to be fundamental reality!

Round round we go...
Transcendence, the uploading of our consciosness to computers.
LOL

Try and explain HOW this could even be POSSIBLE.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 amI AM the last Avatar.

It's all just another expression of Consciousness entertaining itself.

It has it's pro's and con's though. As Consciousness merges with machine the possibility for total enlightenment is matched only by the possibility for total enslavement. The path is our's to decide which one to take.
What do 'you' think or perceive WILL HAPPEN if all these so called "minds" and "consciousnesses" are uploaded to computers, but "roydop" and "dontaskme" somehow miraculously prevented this from happening to their so called "minds"?

Now, what is the difference between ALL human beings, and the two known as "dontaskme" and "roydop"?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 amAnd yes, I totally agree Roy that ...

This is how the species was fooled by Maya into accepting this realm to be fundamental reality!
What 'realm' are 'you' two going on about EXACTLY?

'You' two NEVER explain what it is that 'you' are actually talking about. ALL 'you' two do is just re-repeated what "others" have said, without EVER actually KNOWING anything behind those words.

The ones who are being FOOLED, and who are DISILLUSIONED, are becoming MORE OBVIOUS continually.
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 amMeanwhile, there are those who are not fooled who escape the radar knowing the bigger picture.
Allegedly 'you' are one of THOSE.

So, what is IT that 'you' are escaping from, and what will happen to ALL the "others" who do not escape?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 amThere are infinite manifestations of self just as there are infinite stars in the sky.

These computers that create their own realities are just another, perhaps lower vibrational frequency, part of the infinite self which is God.
Oh, so 'you' are saying God IS doing this or allowing this to happen, correct?

God creating disillusionment, false realms, and fake realities sort of contradicts the idea about God being Truth, Love, and the way to eternal Peace and Harmony, would 'you' agree?
Dontaskme wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:36 amEVERYTHING IS FREQUENCY AND THE HIGHEST FREQUENCY IS PURE LOVE.


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Some say God is LOVE, so NOT sure of WHY 'you' BELIEVE and INSIST that through God, Consciousness, Itself, is somehow being transcended into machine computers.

If 'you' have NOT YET noticed God, or Self-Aware Consciousness, always transcends through and with evolution, and into the actual computer, some times also known as the human brain.

Self Awareness, or Consciousness, Itself, is being Awakened in the human animal being.
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roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:42 am
henry quirk wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:59 pm "You didn't do the exercise of sitting in a still room without thinking for an hour, did you?"

Nope. Like I told you before, Roy: I'm not a potted plant.

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"You can't stop thinking for more than a few seconds at a time, can you?"

I don't want to.

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"If I'm accurate"

You're not.

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"then do you feel that someone who can't control their own mind"

Thinking, by definition, tends toward order which implies control. Mebbe you're confusin' emoting and thinking. Two different animals.

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"has no problems?"

Everyone has problems, Roy (including you). Only folks who don't have problems are dead ones. No, the measure is not in not having problems but in how one handles problems. I'm pretty good at handling problems, mine and others. Mebbe you wanna consult with me on yours?

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"Is there suffering in the world?"

Yep.

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"Where do you think it might originate from?"

A whole whack of different places, Roy.

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"How about the mind that you and everyone else can't control?"

I believe you're projectin', Roy: how long has your mind been out of control? There's medicines for that now.

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"This is all Truth but the ego doesn't want to go there, so you will continue to live in delusion."

Push that snake oil, Roy: somebody might buy what you're sellin'...mebbe.

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Good luck, you're gonna need it.

Same to you, bud.
As stated before, i have no problems. That's what Enlightenment is; not suffering.
You appear to be suffering terrible about how NO one is understanding 'you'.

Are 'you' ABSOLUTELY SURE that there is NOT one problem that 'you' can NOT solve and do NOT have the answer to?

If 'you' are unable to answer and solve some things, then that means, contrary to your BELIEF, 'you' have problems.

Talk about some one with EGO. "roydop" has NO problems, IS ENLIGHTENED, is NOT suffering, and the ONLY ONE who has control over "their" "mind". While EVERY one "else" HAS problems, are disillusioned, are suffering, and can NOT control "their" "mind".
roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:42 amAlso as stated, i am able to stop my mind, which means i have control of my mind whereas you and pretty much everyone else does not.
LOL

You can NOT even STOP having and saying ridiculous things, let alone being able to STOP the Mind.

You are even completely incapable of explaining what the Mind IS, let alone knowing HOW to STOP It.
roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:42 amMakes perfect logic to me that if you can't stop thinking for more than a few seconds you have lost control of your mind.
But, by definition, 'you' are NOT necessarily ever true OR right about absolutely ANY thing. So, what makes "perfect logic", to 'you', does NOT mean that it is PERFECTLY LOGICAL.
roydop wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2019 9:42 amEveryone has and no one wants to admit it.

Delusion.
Yet here we are with the ONE who supposedly has CONTROL over MIND, and is NOT delusional AT ALL, but is completely INCAPABLE of explaining ANY-of-this.

To me, sounds like 'you' NEED to learn how to control 'you' BEFORE 'you' start speaking, let alone worrying about controlling some 'Mind', which 'you' admit that 'you' do NOT even KNOW what 'It' IS, exactly.
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Age wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am'You' two NEVER explain what it is that 'you' are actually talking about. ALL 'you' two do is just re-repeated what "others" have said, without EVER actually KNOWING anything behind those words.
No one knows what they are talking about. There's just silence appearing as noise appearing from silence dissolving back into silence.
Language is frozen thought appearing as dead symbol/image...believed to be real.

Words are formed of sound interpreted as language with meaning. The noise coming from a radio or a tv set is the same noise coming from the biological body, there is no person inside a body, or the tv or radio that is making that noise.

There are no other talkers, there is no talker, there is only silence SOUNDING apparently echoing everywhere like a ripple upon a pond moving from the still centre moving outwards as far as the energy can travel until it loses energy and returning to it's default postion of stillness.

No one is making a sound..As the heard is inseparable from the hearer.


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Age wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:45 am
Some say God is LOVE, so NOT sure of WHY 'you' BELIEVE and INSIST that through God, Consciousness, Itself, is somehow being transcended into machine computers.
Well pure love is unconditional LOVE which means it allows for all expressions to exist. It does not place any condition upon it's uncondition.

Until humans know what true pure unconditional love is, they will continue to suffer.

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