I totally get that ImmanuelImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:06 pmNot really.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:35 amDepends what they are having an opinion on...there are multitudes to pick from.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:48 pm
People do say things like this, but it's not rational of them to do so. If what they say were true, it would stop or stultify all conversation of any kind.
It makes me wonder how they can take for granted something that is so obviously wrong.
Pick any two opposite opinions -- genuinely opposite opinions, that is, not ones that are superficially "different" but ultimately reconcilable -- and at least one of them is bound to be wrong, if only because it rules out the other one. If two such people are having a discussion, the only way they can both keep their opinions is if one or both is behaving totally irrationally.
To think that ONE can have an opinion is irrational to say the least, perhaps in a dream yes, oh yeah, this is a dream.
And for this one here, nothing will change my mind about this revelation, I know this via first account direct experience.
I agree with what you say ImmanuelImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:06 pmThen all you can rationally say is, "There is no me." You cannot say, based on your own experience, there is no "you." That's irrational, because your proclaimed basis, your own experience, does not include the other person's experience, which you would have to admit, could be different from yours.
However, lets just focus on the main point here which is there is no YOU.
To know you are you, you have to be a ''me'' which is what the you labels your you...but that label is not the real you. The real you has never been born and so cannot die.
AND YET...from another persons point of reference the ''me'' here is a ''you'' from the other persons frame of reference.
The other person does not label the ''me'' here...a ''me''...it will say ''YOU'' ....does that make sense?
So the ''me'' is also the ''YOU'' in which there is no ''me'' EXCEPT in this conception labeled 'me'...which makes reality rather irrational yet again...does it not.
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