Zelebg wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:23 am
That similarty is conceptual, the difference is ontological.
How do you know? You don't even have an ontology. Physics is still working on it.
So far it's Turtles all the way down (recursion in its own right - subject to the halting problem), and there's no good way of telling if that's an artefact of reality or artefact of our recursive minds examining reality. Perhaps even both.
commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:51 pm
Perhaps Zelebg should have said that to be conscious is to have memories of experiences and access to those memories.
I'm saying the same thing as Wikipedia in its definition of sentience.
Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience
Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:12 pm
So far it's Turtles all the way down (recursion in its own right - subject to the halting problem), and there's no good way of telling if that's an artefact of reality or artefact of our recursive minds examining reality. Perhaps even both.
I don't see why would I argue if your only point is that there is no point. Nothong new you can tell me then.
Atla wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:16 pm
Umm no. Experience is just happening, 'no one' is really having it.
You and some camera are looking at a duck, and..
a. you experience seeing a duck, camera is not having any experience.
b. neitheir you nor camera are having any experience.
c. something else?
Of course: a.
Please clarify how you are using ‘experience’...
a. having an experience doesn’t mean owning &/or storing anything.
b. having an experience of something means experiencing the thing.
c. both a & b.
d. something else.
b. having an experience of something means experiencing the thing.
Yes, what you are aware of in the present moment. That is primary meaning and standsrd usage in Philosopht of mind. I already pointed out to Wikipedia article about sentience where "experience" is the very definition of it, and at above link there are more examples of usage in that context.
Zelebg wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:09 pm
I don't see why would I argue if your only point is that there is no point. Nothong new you can tell me then.
I didn't realise neomania was your mental illness. On a millennial time-scale novelty amongst humans is a rare thing.
Also, I didn't realise you were seeking to have an argument. I thought we are just having a conversation.