You can only know yourself as a thought. You cannot know yourself as the knower of the thought because you are already being the knowing awareness of every thought arising in you only. 'Thought' is what causes the concept of other. ''Other'' is an effect of it's own self created cause...aka duality. A 'me' can only exist in spacetime duality as a 'thought' aka a fictional character. But you are actually more than that, you are the eternal awareness of the temporal thought. Notice you can observe thought, but you cannot observe the observer....but you don't need to observe the observer because you are already being it...but even this is all conceptual knowledge..which is a fictional story arising in you inseparable from you, so in essence you are the whole enchilada so to speak.Arising_uk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:49 pmThe fact you can use "me" should make you blush but maybe I have the wrong end of your schtick, so are you claiming that there is only this Awareness in reality and in fact reality is this Awareness and there is nothing else other than this Awareness? If so then I think it absolute nonsense as any 'Awareneas' needs an other to be aware of.Dontaskme wrote:...
The statement made that there is an assumed 'Awareness' as an entity outside of us? makes absolutely no sense to me.
So the other that you are talking about that you say awareness needs to be aware of is just a thought. The other is always an appearance already within you only, there is no other than you. All apparent others are this same one awareness. The awareness that knows Arising_uk is the same awareness that knows DAM.
Knowing comes from the interaction between awareness and what it is being aware of ..right now there is an identification with thought as it is appearing here now on this computer screen in the form of symbols which is not outside of the awareness that is reading those symbols..all symbols are by-products of thought ..notice we are both reading the same symbolic data, what is being read here now is the same for you as it is for me...and that's because it's all appearing within the same awareness that is everywhere at once seeing the same things because no thing can ever exist outside of the awareness that knows it.
As awareness you cannot exist or experience yourself as a thought, because you are only the awareness of a thought which is inseparable from you ..awareness of thought is how you know otherness because identification with thought automatically and magically creates a subject / objective divide which is the awareness of being aware. And so until there is awareness of thought, aka awareness of being aware, there is no you. You only appear when there is identification with what you are aware of aka thought...as in I think therefore I am. You literally have to think yourself into being, and you could not do that unless you already existed. But the you that you are thinking into being is a only a fictional imagined character because A YOU can not appear until you think about it.
So this known thought ''I am'' is just a thought. It's an appearance, and for an appearance to become known or made possible at all ..there has to be an awareness already present prior to the knowing . The presence is the only KNOWING there is...If there was no awareness already here present then nothing would be able to be known. That self-evident presence means awareness is irrefutable. So yes, there is only awareness, the immutable state of knowingness than cannot be known, because it is the only knowing there is aka nothing being everything.