Re: Insane Denial Of Conscious Experience
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:26 am
Working on the Oneness ...Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:01 amI understand that Steve ..but the truth is only you will figure this out for yourself. There is nothing another person can say to you that will alter your own mind, your mind is the only tool available to you, so what you are trying to pursue can only be comprehended by you, and that any conclusion in regards to what you are looking for can and will only come to you there, because you are the source of all your own knowledge.
It will not come from any other source outside of you in the thoughts of others. I get that. Other peoples ideas are mere breadcrumbs of what's already inside you too... ultimately, you are already the whole loaf, it's all within you, because you are not in the universe, the universe is in you.
I'm not trying to put words in anyones mouth here, we are only ever talking to others (ourselves) from our own direct experience here. We are ultimately listening to our own echo's and attaching to thoughts that literally come out of nowhere and are made of the consciousness that knows them. Think about that, every other person is a thought occuring here in you.... and that goes for every other person, they are thinking about other people existing from their point of conscious awareness there in them....and the reason that is possible is because the consciousness in you here is the same conscousness in the other there...and that every thing, every thought, is made of the consciousness that knows them. For there can be no thought without a consciousness to be conscious of them. Both consciousness and thought must be the same thing. That must mean every material thing, aka a thought is made out of the thing that knows the thought, and that which knows a thought is consciousness.
We cannot know the thought of another, because the other is a thought here in you, ''ANOTHER'' is just a thought KNOWN here in you, you being consciousness here...there is no there in here. There is only here.
Consciousness knows every thought, but can thought know consciousness? ..see nowhere that the question (''can thought know consciousness'')? ..is like asking ''can a tree know it is conscious'' ? or can any known concept be aware of itself?...''can the grass be aware it is grass''?
Do you see a problem with the idea of concepts knowing they are aware?
So back to my own unique descriptive experience of what is consciousness.. continues as follows...
The ''HOW'' of how concepts are known as observed by consciousness can't be answered. It'll always come down to the first cause conundrum, in that what caused the first cause to then be the cause of all other causes add infinitum. We can observe what causes an object to function in the way it does by examining another object and seeing that other object there is what's making this object here to function...and so on...in that a thing can only be known in relation to some other thing by association in effect.
In so much as every effect is the action of it's prior cause, and that cause is an effects of it's prior cause which is only an effect of it's cause...so here as an observer, we can see only effects....and that an effect is only an appearance effecting another appearance add infinitum...we can examine effects forever as the observer, attaching labels to them via thought anothe effective appearance...but we can never get to the first cause of the causer of all effects aka the actual observer...because maybe, just maybe consciousness is primary.
The thought ''my head'' is a localised thought appearing in what thought thinks is this localised body here. But the thought KNOWN HERE is another thought thinking it is localised here in a body, when in truth no thought is ever localised in a body, that's just another thought...A body is just another non-localised free thought appearing from NOWHERE...nowhere is everywhere all at once one without a second, meaning non-local appearing to be local as thought.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:47 pm Everything about my existence tells me I am a Separate distinct Consciousness in a Universe of Separate Distinct Consciousnesses. If all Consciousness was One you would think that we would be like the Borg Collective on Star Trek. We would hear the thoughts of everybody in the Collective as a whole. The only thoughts in my head are Mine. I cannot perceive your thoughts or anyone else's thoughts.
In truth, thoughts are inside no head, they are non-localised and belong to no you with a separate head. The you with a separate head is another thought, also, the thought that there are others with their own separate head of thoughts is a thought too happening only here in you.
There is only here.
Here is everywhere all at once, here doesn't move, here is the silent still empty centre, the source of all known thought. That is what consciousness is.
Thoughts seem to jump around from head to head, appearing to be on the inside of multiple other heads...but even that is a thought appearing here in you. You IS SOURCE CONSCIOUSNESS. That never moved an inch, it's unborn and cannot die.
YOU are that.