SteveKlinko wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:42 am
You're Welcome. You say some Mysterious things that make me think. The Oneness thing still evades me but I'm working on it.
Of course, oneness is a difficult concept to grasp via the conceptual mind, because concepts known automatically divide the (all knowing I ) which is always and ever ONENESS ...into many apparent 'knowers'......aka many individual I's
Oneness is the unborn....so how does the unborn ever know or experience itself? ...it does so via it's own concept of itself born of the mind, so here only the mind is born which is just an aspect of the unborn oneness...the concept is an appearance of oneness appearing as itself as and through the many aspects of itself....The unborn appearing to be born as conceived in this conception known. It's not ( the known concept of I ) that knows..the concept is being KNOWN by the unborn I
So no concept has ever been seen nor conceived since all known concepts are the activity of mind, aka as and through a ''thought'' source unknown.
All that is known is an illusion of the unknown source, albeit a very convincing illusion. It's an illusion that works, else there would be no point to it at all. It has to work, it has to be convincing...but ultimately nothing is real...the sages and mystics have known this truth for eons.
...and yet it's such a simple shift in perception, it's basically what the sages call dying to the idea you are your identity, aka your symbolic label...placed upon oneness via 'thought'...by noticing that prior to the name given to you at birth, you existed without any awareness of your existence. So how did you become aware you existed prior to becoming aware you existed?
The answer is...before your birth you were pure not-knowing awareness, then after your birth you were the exact same pure not-knowing awareness NOW popped aware of your pure not-knowing awareness as KNOWN in your conception....aka you are now the known concept of your prior not-knowing. You are now the not-knowing known. An apparent duality within the nondual you.
Knowing you know is what creates the world of duality. .but that knowing you know is not known by a person, it is known by the not-knowing oneness that is consciousness itself.
Awareness is unknown without the world of otherness to reflect it's own mirror image back to itself ..to become (the known)
Essentially, awareness unknown becomes known to itself in the form of symbolic images it has conceived within itself and projected to appear outside of itself as an image of itself... so what's happening here is the formless mind/consciousness projects an image / label onto itself giving rise in effect to the experience of selfhood as known as and through that image of itself, in this conception. The image is known instantly by association as conceived via the 'projected thought'
But notice the conception aka 'thought' is never seen or known, by the 'thought' itself... the 'thought' is being seen and known, by the awareness of it.. which is a verb in every instant.
Another way of approaching oneness..albeit illusory, because oneness is an imagined idea .. source unknown... so it's only ever oneness approaching itself anyway as imagined.. and that other way is to think backwards.
Become aware of the ''thought'' that places an image upon it's not-knowing emptiness....notice there is an awareness already present of each and every thought/image without the need to be identified with those thoughts/images.
But although Awareness is nothing without an concept/image of itself via thought...it doesn't need 'thought' to BE... 'thought' can be absent from awareness, in that awareness doesn't need to to have an image of itself to be...as proved in deep dreamless sleep when no 'though't is present...that state aka the stateless one state OF AWARENESS is always present..and that is how to know oneness...aka pure not-knowing awareness.
The reason why no 'person'..aka a 'thought' has not been able to crack the hard problem of consciousness is because ''thought'' doesn't know anything, 'thought' is already being known by oneness itself...'thought' is already within that which 'thought' apparently is seeking. So as soon as 'thought' becomes a seeker of it's own source, it's in big trouble, it is unknowingly dividing oneness into two...that automatic function within oneness itself is the illusion of otherness...it is the causeless cause of an artificial effect, in the form of a divide ..obscuring what is already oneness in every moment...so it is when 'thought' thinks back to the source of 'thought' eliminating it's entire existence as it once artificially 'thought' itself to be...is when it seemingly can get a peek into the nothingness in which it arises and falls away without a trace.
That nothingness is also everything simultaneously because while everything can be 'thought' about, nothingness cannot be 'thought' about, because that would require oneness to be on the outside of it's own arena looking back in on itself...so any looking back in on itself has to come within itself only...to see the source of it's own source...this has to be done within source itself which is oneness aka consciousness...because there is nothing outside of that arena...except it's own projected image of itself via 'thought' already couched within it's own imageless source.
In a nutshell Steve...when what is looking aka consciousness is looking for what is looking aka consciousness inside of what it's looking at, aka it's projected conception aka ''thought'' aka it's imagined image of it's previously unknown imageless self... it's in big trouble...because consciousness is in no image of itself, it is the projector of the image only...the images come and go in it. IT NEVER COMES OR GOES...because it's unborn and undying.