Re: Do humans have a soul?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:07 am
Do you mean what is causing that illusion? If yes then the answer is mind.
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Do you mean what is causing that illusion? If yes then the answer is mind.
"Soul" etymologically relates to "sole" (and "sol" in general) and means (or is intended to mean or have meant), "That one thing that collectively holds or combines all that I am of its parts." This is 'consciousness' but emphasizing a place at a point in our space that is presumed to exist Elsewhere. Given that people think of our moral compass (as 'conscience') also lacks mechanical meaning without some universal single truth, this Elsewhere, is the unique place presumed to hold our real "I". "Mind" is treated as the physical non-single set of factors that acts as a medium between here and Elsewhere.philosophic nature wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:30 am ...
So the mind is not the soul, and the [soul] is not the mind. The mind is under our soul.
What do you think bout those thinkings?
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No, I do not mean what is causing it. I'm asking what is being deluded, that is, what exactly is suffering from the illusion?
What is being deluded? What mind causes which is in fact is what mind experience. What we experiencing doesn't have any essence, therefore it is an illusion. In another word what we experience is caused by mind and it cannot exist without mind.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pmNo, I do not mean what is causing it. I'm asking what is being deluded, that is, what exactly is suffering from the illusion?
Yes.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pm By the way, since you suggested it, if the mind is the cause of illusion are you suffering illusion?
Thoughts are illusion, illusion being something without any essence, but they explain reality as it is.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pm How do you know anything you think is not just an illusion?
The main problem with this everything is an illusion nonsense in all its forms, (from Plato to every form of mysticism), is that before something can be called an illusion, one must have an idea of what isn't an illusion, of what actually is real to compare it to. If everything is illusion it would be impossible to know it.
I do know it is not possible to reason with those gullible enough to swallow this mystic nonsense, so I shan't argue with you.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:13 amYes.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pm By the way, since you suggested it, if the mind is the cause of illusion are you suffering illusion?Thoughts are illusion, illusion being something without any essence, but they explain reality as it is.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pm How do you know anything you think is not just an illusion?
Mind itself is not illusion. I have an argument for that: Consider a change in a system, A->B. A and B cannot coexist so A has to vanishes before B occurs/is caused. But there is nothing when A vanishes and nothing cannot possibly causes B. Therefore there must be a mind with ability to experience and cause. A and B are different forms which is experienced and caused by mind respectively. A and B vanish so I call them illusion. Mind in another hand doesn't vanish so I don't call it illusion.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:07 pmThe main problem with this everything is an illusion nonsense in all its forms, (from Plato to every form of mysticism), is that before something can be called an illusion, one must have an idea of what isn't an illusion, of what actually is real to compare it to. If everything is illusion it would be impossible to know it.
As you wish.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:07 pmI do know it is not possible to reason with those gullible enough to swallow this mystic nonsense, so I shan't argue with you.bahman wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:13 amYes.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pm By the way, since you suggested it, if the mind is the cause of illusion are you suffering illusion?Thoughts are illusion, illusion being something without any essence, but they explain reality as it is.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:51 pm How do you know anything you think is not just an illusion?