Well, if you don't know, then you're in no position to say "It's not good enough." You'd have no metric by which to assess such a thing.-1- wrote: ↑Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:07 amI haven't said "good enough for what" because God did not say what it was good for.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:33 pmBut you still haven't said good enough for what.
A raincoat is good enough for rain, but not for heavy snow. And it's not because the raincoat is a bad raincoat: it's good for its role. A rubber raft is good enough for the swimming pool, but not for the ocean. Again, it's good in its place. Things are "good enough" for purposes.
For what purpose would you suggest the world was "not good enough"?
But I think you must have meant something real and purposeful when you said it: do you know what you meant? Why not be forthcoming, then? But if you didn't know what you meant, why do you think you felt compelled to say it?
I'm not criticizing you...I'm trying to find out if you have a point. It might be important.
Oh, I don't think it is. I think Torah actually answers it. In fact, I know it does. But Torah cannot tell me what you meant. Only you can tell me that.the same question is also impossible to answer by the other party.
haShem says, "It is good." -1- says, "No, it isn't good enough." I just want to know what perspective provides you with that "enough" word.
Not so. A good child may change and grow, without us expecting an eight year old to act like a twelve year old. A good enough 8 year old is good enough for being 8. But he will change.It had necessitated change, and something that is good enough does not need changing.
The sun rises and sets. The day changes. It does not make the day evil or defective, does it? Flowers arise, bloom, go to seed and produce more flowers...where's the failure in that? So change is not always an indicator of failure. Sometimes it may be, and sometimes not.
Not at all. You've got me wrong. I think that trying to "win" discussions is utterly futile. What one wants to do, instead, is engage and push forward with ideas until both parties arrive somewhere better than where they began....you find yourself triumphant.
I really don't think any other kind of conversation is worth having.