Just another belief system.
Just another belief system.
Nonduality is also a belief system, but one which wipes itself and the believer away...It's normal it doesn't have a lot of 'followers'...
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Re: Just another belief system.
Nonduality is not a belief system. This is exactly and precisely what it is not.
Of course, many believe without knowing, but those who know are not relying on a belief system. The entire idea is to transcend the believer-believed distinction.
Of course, many believe without knowing, but those who know are not relying on a belief system. The entire idea is to transcend the believer-believed distinction.
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I do not describe myself as non dualist but I know that everything is connected to everything else
The distinctions that exist such as mental and physical for example are for reasons of practicality
In reality there is no such distinction but we create them because it is easier for us to understand
The distinctions that exist such as mental and physical for example are for reasons of practicality
In reality there is no such distinction but we create them because it is easier for us to understand
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That which appears to transcend never transcended.
That's the enjoyed absurdism of conceptualising the non-conceptual.
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Nondual reality is a tricky sticky trap for the sense of being a separate being.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:36 pm I do not describe myself as non dualist but I know that everything is connected to everything else
The distinctions that exist such as mental and physical for example are for reasons of practicality
In reality there is no such distinction but we create them because it is easier for us to understand
Being can negate everything even key concepts like mind, consciousness, the witness, ultimate subject etc... yet being can not negate Source the undying, unborn wellspring that has to be....THIS unknown source of all known knowledge IS without doubt or error...rendering all things known illusory non-substantial invisible ideas empty to the core.
The I that is able to describe itself as a non - non-dualist is an illusory appearance within this immediate already existing not-knowing non-dual self. Rendering all claimed knowledge an illusory appearance within this reality.
Once we acknowledge an essential inextinguishable Source, our understandings and meanings lose their absoluteness. Anything known/spoken is never absolute - it's relative.
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You first have to exist before you can know you exist. Knowing you exist is the illusory secondary reality, the play of maya, of otherness and all things.
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Phew. A post I can agree with at last. This forum harbours a lot of strange views on these issues.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:46 am Nondual reality is a tricky sticky trap for the sense of being a separate being.
Being can negate everything even key concepts like mind, consciousness, the witness, ultimate subject etc... yet being can not negate Source the undying, unborn wellspring that has to be....THIS unknown source of all known knowledge IS without doubt or error...rendering all things known illusory non-substantial invisible ideas empty to the core.
The I that is able to describe itself as a non - non-dualist is an illusory appearance within this immediate already existing not-knowing non-dual self. Rendering all claimed knowledge an illusory appearance within this reality.
Once we acknowledge an essential inextinguishable Source, our understandings and meanings lose their absoluteness. Anything known/spoken is never absolute - it's relative.
You first have to exist before you can know you exist. Knowing you exist is the illusory secondary reality, the play of maya, of otherness and all things.
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Not all belief systems are the same, thus the "just," in "just another belief system," is a red herring.
Some beliefs are fantasy-based, such as belief in unicorns.
Other systems of knowledge correlate with reality and rationality, such as sense-based perception.
Not all inferences are valid, simply because they are all inferences.
Some beliefs are fantasy-based, such as belief in unicorns.
Other systems of knowledge correlate with reality and rationality, such as sense-based perception.
Not all inferences are valid, simply because they are all inferences.
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Well I have to disagree with you on the “JUST” bit being a red herring.Walker wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:20 pm Not all belief systems are the same, thus the "just," in "just another belief system," is a red herring.
Some beliefs are fantasy-based, such as belief in unicorns.
Other systems of knowledge correlate with reality and rationality, such as sense-based perception.
Not all inferences are valid, simply because they are all inferences.
In fact it’s a very just statement to make because there is no such thing as Nonduality because it’s not a thing.
It’s just another belief, in my humble opinion...you are welcome to yours equally.
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I think you have neglected to observe the suffix.
In the same way A-theism is not a belief system; NON- duality is not a belief system either.
I have only heard the most arrogant theists try to insist that atheism is a belief system. And I would imagine that only a person identifying themselves as a dualist would support your rather absurd idea.
There is no such thing as Nondualism, excpet as an indication that the recipient is not a dualist.
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Nonduality isn't an 'ism' although mind really loves to categorize it like that, because then it can store it away in it's archive.Sculptor wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:16 pmI think you have neglected to observe the suffix.
In the same way A-theism is not a belief system; NON- duality is not a belief system either.
I have only heard the most arrogant theists try to insist that atheism is a belief system. And I would imagine that only a person identifying themselves as a dualist would support your rather absurd idea.
There is no such thing as Nondualism, excpet as an indication that the recipient is not a dualist.
Nondualism is an idea. Ideas are not here to get us somewhere, they are here because we are an idea.
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No, non-duality is not a belief system.
And, in the spirit of Philosophy Now, the statement requires no supporting rationale, facts, or examples.
And, in the spirit of Philosophy Now, the statement requires no supporting rationale, facts, or examples.
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Blimey. Another post I can agree with.
There is something odd about this forum. It's the oddest philosophy forum I've been on. It's like many folks here don't feel the need to read anything yet have strong views on everything. The ratio of dogmatic pontification to philosophical enquiry doesn't seem very healthy.
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In 2019, that's the exact same thing we say about science.
Precisely! "Science is not a belief system" requires no supporting rationale, facts, or examples.
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In the spirit of "Science is not a belief system" (which is to be understood as "experience is foundational") it seems that you got that exactly backwards.PeteJ wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:42 amBlimey. Another post I can agree with.
There is something odd about this forum. It's the oddest philosophy forum I've been on. It's like many folks here don't feel the need to read anything yet have strong views on everything. The ratio of dogmatic pontification to philosophical enquiry doesn't seem very healthy.
The ratio of scientific enquiry to philosophical dogmatism is not very healthy on this forum.