Arising_uk wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:52 am
PeteJ wrote:Just as you have no idea whether this statement of yours is true.
You can deny the claims of people who claim to know, but you cannot prove they don't know.
Given I said with respect to the Noumenon then I think I can. Of course one could disagree with Kant's description of the relationship between phenomena, the noumena and reason and say that one knows things about the Noumenon or the 'One' if you like but then I think the onus is upon the one who makes that claim to provide evidence to back up such an assertion.
You're dismissing the entire Perennial philosophy in one sentence, and it wouldn't be perennial if it was this easy to dismiss.
Well if you mean the idea that 'God' is the 'One' and this is what all religions express then I think the fact that most religions disagree with the others about who holds the 'Absolute' truth makes it fairly easy to dismiss as just the meanderings of the fantasists, in that no-one actually has a sccoby-doo about what is the actual case with respect to causation and phenomena. Me, I think there are only two absolute truths, "I Am" and "there are phenomena" but I do hold a metaphysical belief that what I am is a Body with senses, memory and a language in an external world and an ontological and epistemological one that because I have the language that I do I can know that there is at least one other than me and hence there is also an external world.
There is no known 'Absolute truth' except what ''thought'' puts there via (mind) in this conception.
It takes a mind to know a mind.
Who or what knows the mind that knows? ... All that can be known about that notion is ''I don't know''
There is no ''Absolute truth'' to be known...There is 'Absolute not-knowing truth' ...A knowing that cannot be known..No claim, no blame.
Whether there is a claimer or a denial of a claimer of knowledge, both ideas are derived from the same not-knowing source. Which is ONE with itself. Even to say with itself implies two..and this is the absurism of metaphysical understanding ..the notion of Oneness.
But there is only ever the totality of ONENESS / WHOLE / UNITY ... there is no other whole. A whole is indivisible. That the whole appears as many aspects and parts of itself takes nothing from the whole. Who or what is going to divide a whole but the whole itself?
You are the whole ..you know it, but you cannot speak about it without creating separation, language divides...but in reality, the language is only the whole in communication with itself - it's the sound of it's own self-made echo.
Life is living itself all alone all one. No-thing is living and no-thing is dying. All that is happening is endless change within the infinite changeless. Finite appearances and disappearances, comings and going within itself the infinite source of itself. And that which is infinite cannot come and go, and yet that's exactly what it does apparently.
Reality is irrational. It's Non-dual.